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Re: Cyprus' Sister Island - Greek Heroics on Rhodes

Postby erolz66 » Thu May 19, 2016 9:24 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:OMG - you are so like the child who is having a tantrum because he hasn't got his way!


My post are reaction to yours. You are the one who keeps insisting that what the EU has said is not what the EU has said.

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Your lies and misconstrues, shown for what they are - temporary mischief, knave!


The EU said over four months ago that the Schengen evaluation report on Greece concluded that "Greece is seriously neglecting its obligations". Since then you have tried to claim

It was not the EU that said this.
The report that concluded this was a totally different report.
The EU did not criticise Greece.
This report was not one that would be used to make decisions.
The EU criticised Sweden more than Greece
What this means is 'Some unnamed entity around or alongside Greece is seriously neglecting its obligations', even though what they said was 'Greece is seriously neglecting its obligations'

and countless other excuses for argument.

Yet the facts remain the same. The EU Schengen evaluation report on Greece concluded that "Greece is seriously neglecting its obligations". What has been shown over and over again is that you will simply deny, ignore or distort actual reality when you do not like that reality and will do so relentlessly whilst throwing incessant ad hominem attacks against anyone who shows you up for doing this. This is what you have done with regards to this topic over the last four months and it is what you have done over the years you have participated on this forum. It is what you do, what you have always done here.
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Re: Cyprus' Sister Island - Greek Heroics on Rhodes

Postby supporttheunderdog » Thu May 19, 2016 9:28 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:You take plain English and misconstrue it, post wads and reels of nonsensical documents that no one else will read and you HOPE that you can blind people to your clearly biased views.


That in my view is what you are doing and you HOPE that you can blind people to your clearly biased views, where the so called "nonsensical documents" (your words - so do not try to later say I described them as "nonsensical documents" ) are official EU documents, including official press releases and official legally binding decisions of the Commission and the Council.

That description of the Official EU documents as "nonsensical documents" really sums up how divorced from reality if not completely delusional YOU really are, possibly clinically so, such that unable to deal with the fact that they use the term "serious deficiencies in the carrying out of border operations BY GREECE" (or similar) over a period of time from 27th January to 12th May and where actions are still in hand based on the predicate that there were "serious deficiencies in the carrying out of border operations BY GREECE" (or similar), and where as at 12th May
In particular, structural deficiencies in external border control related to the overall border management system, border surveillance and situational awareness, have not been remedied yet.
and in consequence some internal border controls have been authorised because
a number of persons who stay irregularly on the territory of the Hellenic Republic have not been registered and may seek to move irregularly to other Member States.
.

I think your behaviour fits within what is described here as delusional,

In the DSM-IV (Glossary) delusions were defined as follows:
Delusion. A false belief based on incorrect inference about external reality that is firmly sustained despite what almost everyone else believes and despite what constitutes incontrovertible and obvious proof or evidence to the contrary. The belief is not one ordinarily accepted by other members of the person's culture or subculture (e.g., it is not an article of religious faith). When a false belief involves a value judgment, it is regarded as a delusion only when the judgment is so extreme as to defy credibility.

This is how delusions are described in the DSM-5 (Schizophrenia Spectrum and Other Psychotic Disorders):

Delusions are fixed beliefs that are not amenable to change in light of conflicting evidence. Their content may include a variety of themes (e.g. persecutory, referential, somatic, religious, grandiose).[…] Delusions are deemed bizarre if they are clearly implausible and not understandable to same-culture peers and do not derive from ordinary life experiences. […] The distinction between a delusion and a strongly held idea is sometimes difficult to make and depends in part on the degree of conviction with which the belief is held despite clear or reasonable contradictory evidence regarding its veracity.


GreekIslandGirl wrote:Well, the reality is simple.

Yes it is: it expressed ​Here in what YOU and YOU ALONE call "nonsensical documents"

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-174_en.htm
European Commission - Press release
Commission discusses draft Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece Brussels, 27 January 2016

And here

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-211_en.htm
European Commission - Press release
Commission adopts Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece and proposes recommendations to address deficiencies in external border management Strasbourg, 2 February 2016

And here

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2016/02/12-schengen-evaluation-of-greece/
Schengen evaluation of Greece: Council adopts recommendation to address deficiencies in external borders 12/02/2016

And here

http://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/ST-5985-2016-INIT/en/pdf
Council Implementing Decision setting out a Recommendation on addressing the serious deficiencies identified in the 2015 evaluation of the application of the Schengen acquis in the field of management of the external borders by Greece 12/02/2016

And here

http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/borders-and-visas/schengen/docs/communication-back-to-schengen-roadmap_en.pdf
COMMUNICATION FROM THE COMMISSION TO THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT, THE EUROPEAN COUNCIL AND THE COUNCIL Back to Schengen - A Roadmap 4.3.2016 COM(2016) 120 final

And here

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-1344_en.htm
European Commission - Press release
Implementing the Roadmap Back to Schengen: Commission assesses Action Plan prepared by Greece 12 April 2016

And here

http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/european-agenda-migration/proposal-implementation-package/docs/20160412/communication_assessment_greece_action_plan_en.pdf
COMMUNICATION FROM THE COMMISSION TO THE COUNCIL Assessment of Greece's Action Plan to remedy the serious deficiencies identified in the 2015 evaluation on the application of the Schengen acquis in the field of management of the external border 12.4.2016 COM(2016) 220 final

And here

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-1627_en.htm
Back to Schengen: Commission takes next steps towards lifting of temporary internal border controls Brussels, 4 May 2016

and here

http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/european-agenda-migration/proposal-implementation-package/docs/20160504/schengen_proposal_en.pdf
Proposal for a COUNCIL IMPLEMENTING DECISION setting out a recommendation for temporary internal border control in exceptional circumstances putting the overall functioning of the Schengen area at risk 4.5.2016 COM(2016) 275 final

And here

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2016/05/12-internal-border-controls/
Council adopts recommendation for continuation of internal border controls 12/05/2016

And here

http://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/ST-8835-2016-INIT/en/pdf
Council Implementing Decision setting out a Recommendation for temporary internal border control in exceptional circumstances putting the overall functioning of the Schengen area at risk 12/05/2016

Rather it Your assertions have been undermined, proven wrong, and where I for one have have stated on several occasions I hoped it was not necessary for imposition of border controls at the Greek Internal Borders of Greece so I have partly have my wish: unfortunately as
In particular, structural deficiencies in external border control related to the overall border management system, border surveillance and situational awareness, have not been remedied yet.
and
a number of persons who stay irregularly on the territory of the Hellenic Republic have not been registered and may seek to move irregularly to other Member States.
some internal border controls elsewhere have been sanctioned.

Deal with it. The EU has - and what you believe they NOT said is reflected in what they are doing. Who is wrong? You or EU?

The question remains : do you deny the EU has stated there were " serious deficiencies in the carrying out of external border control by Greece" -

Go on Admit it: one word answer: YES.
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Re: Cyprus' Sister Island - Greek Heroics on Rhodes

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Sep 18, 2016 9:28 pm

Another humanitarian Greek recognised for her efforts and kindness ....


Latsoudi, along with Konstantinos Mitragas, a sea captain and the Hellenic Rescue Team’s secretary general, have both just been announced as recipients of UNHCR’s Nansen refugee award, a prize running for 61 years, acknowledging the work of humanitarians across the world in helping displaced people. She is humble about receiving the award: “I don’t think that when you act in this field you can have something like this in mind.”

For Latsoudi, the whole island, indeed, the whole of Greece, is equally affected by this crisis. She feels the volunteers are also victims: “Volunteers are traumatised. It’s really dangerous for the people involved. I believe that’s why that we have to change these policies about refugees, because we [the volunteers] are also traumatised several times by what has happened. But we cannot leave them [refugees] alone.”


https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... manitarian


Interestingly:

For Latsoudi, the unity of Greek people and refugees is vital, especially on an island which has a very personal history of migration. Approximately 60% of the 90,000 or so residents in Lesbos are descended from Greek Orthodox Christians expelled from Turkey in the 1920s. “Citizens from Greece are doing this even though they are facing an economic crisis – they are affected by all the uncertainty that it brings to them. But we believe the solidarity of people can be part of the solution. And this is a great thing,” she says.
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Re: Cyprus' Sister Island - Greek Heroics on Rhodes

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:36 pm

...thanks GIG, interesting.

...just a few days ago, I read that the Government in Greece is taking a school and a Parent's Association to court because they were trying to exclude students from their school for being migrants' children.

Little time was taken to press charges against this kind of racism; in this too there is food for thought.
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