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[erolz66]

Of course you simply write off the many many many press reports that say Greece ...

I don't write off anything that's said about Greece (or Cyprus). Including when you blatantly lie that the EU Commision has threatened sanctions against Greece.

When I and large sections of the world's media and Greek Ministers blatantly lie you mean - for that is where you fanatical obsessive lunacy leads you.

But, your lie has been exposed - again - and you are in the final dying throes .... clutching at straws.

I think something has been exposed, again, here in this 'discussion and I do not think it is me lying.'

[GreekIslandGirl]

... I do not think it is me lying.'

The only thing bigger than your capacity to lie is the arrogance that keeps you believing in your creations. Keep hoping and believing in yourself but next time, don't say stupid things to me that you cannot back up ..... such as the remaining unfulfilled EU Commission's threats of sanctions against Greece myth that you have COMPLETELY created!

You've a good track record now of failing to find evidence to back up your propaganda.

[erolz66]

... I do not think it is me lying.'

The only thing bigger than your capacity to lie is the arrogance that keeps you believing in your creations.

You are the one that claims media reports from a range as outlets as wide as the BBC through to Greekreporter.com are all factually incorrect and just 'spreading propaganda' to grab attention and Greek haters and that you are the one who has 'the truth' and you talk about my arrogance ? Oh the irony !

Keep hoping and believing in yourself but next time, don't say stupid things to me that you cannot back up .....

Something stupid like claiming a link to an official EU Commission press release on the official EU Commission website is a source that is a 'discussion site' ? Something stupid like that do you mean ?

such as the remaining unfulfilled EU Commission's threats of sanctions against Greece myth that you have COMPLETELY created!

Wow how powerful I am (according to you). I completely fabricate an untrue story that the EU Commission threatened Greece with sanctions and then there are Greek hating media around the world reporting that Greece has been threatened with sanctions re Schengen if they do not rectify their failings in three months and even Greek ministers of state being report as talking about having been so threatened. If I completely made the whole thing up and there was not even an iota of evidence to support the claim, then all these press reports must have come from my fiction right ? Welcome to the insane world of GiG.

[GreekIslandGirl]

I completely fabricate an untrue story that the EU Commission threatened Greece with sanctions ....

Clearly you did. Denying it is futile as you failed to find any policies, issues, notifications or otherwise from the EU Commission that explicitly stated, as YOU did, that they were threatening Greece with sanctions.

[erolz66]

I completely fabricate an untrue story that the EU Commission threatened Greece with sanctions ....

Clearly you did.

Meanwhile back in the real world, clearly I did not, for if I had totally fabricated it from nothing and there is absolutely no basis at all from which it could be said how could you possibly account for all the media reports that also say Greece was threatened. They just also, all at the same time, decided to just make this up, with there being no basis what so ever in reality for such claims ? The very notion is beyond absurd and that you keep trying to insist this is the case really does show who is the more arrogant of the two of us as far as I am concerned.

[GreekIslandGirl]

.... for all the media reports

I don't care in this context!

Show me where the EU Commission has stated threats for sanctions against Greece!

FOCUS! Focus on your claim!

EU Commission > Threats > Sanctions > Greece!

That is what you are distorting!

[supporttheunderdog]

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-174_el.pdf

For gIGgle's benefit, and I really do have to laugh at her antics here, haaving been a victim of her dispicable distortions, here is a link to the Greek text of the press report.

The message is clear. Greece has been found wanting in how it is processing migrants, and in breach of its Schengen obligations, and no one with any sense can say that is not criticism, then it goes on to point out in diplomatic speech if a country is in violation and that if within three months the issues are not rectified then a country might be slung out of Schengen. Under the circumstances where it seems very clear Greece is in breach then the the threat of possible sanctions must apply to Greece.

gIG, you can try all the sophistry you like, but I know bull-shit when you post it.

This btw does not detract from the humanity of the individuals on Rhodes for trying to help refugees, though recent reports suggest only a large minority are real refugees from conflict but the majority are economic migrants.

[GreekIslandGirl]

The message is clear.

Where does it threaten sanctions?

[GreekIslandGirl]

Here is the actual Evaluation Report that the EU Commission is going by:

The dramatically increased number of arrivals has put the border control and asylum systems of the countries concerned under extreme pressure. In response to this situation, the Commission introduced the ‘hotspot’ approach, which provides a platform to allow the EU agencies to assist the frontline Member States in registering, screening and debriefing incoming migrants quickly, to help with the asylum procedures and to coordinate the return operations. Italy and Greece are the first two Member States where this approach is being implemented3. The Commission has also sent its own personnel to both Member States to provide practical coordination and support. The Migration Management Support Teams active at the 'hotspots' rely on the Member States' contributions via Frontex' and EASO's calls for experts and equipment in an appropriate manner.
Following the proposals of the Commission the Council in September has agreed on relocation of 160 000 applicants in clear need of international protection from Italy, Greece and possibly other Member States directly affected by the refugee crisis.4 Full implementation of the relocation mechanism, alongside the roll-out of 'hotspots', should alleviate the pressuron these countries. In addition to the ongoing Frontex joint operations — Triton (hosted by Italy) and Poseidon Sea (hosted by Greece), to which the financial allocation has been trippled to enable reinforcing their surveillance and rescue capacity — the EU launched a Common Security and Defence Policy operation in the southern central Mediterranean on 22 June. This operation aims specifically at disrupting the business model of human smuggling and trafficking networks.
Furthermore, Member States faced with a situation of urgent and exceptional pressure may request the assistance of the Rapid Border Intervention Teams (RABITs) provided in the Frontex Regulation. On 3 December, Greece submitted such a formal request to Frontex for the deployment of a Rapid Border Intervention Team operation to provide immediate border guard support at its external border in the Aegean islands. On 10 December Frontex took the necessary decisions to launch this operation and to immediately agree on the operational plan with the Greek Authorities within the same operational area as Poseidon Sea.

MORE FRONTEX TO HELP GREECE AND NO MENTION OF SANCTIONS!!!!

[erolz66]

Why don't you wait for the EU Commission to actually release its recommendations and stop CREATING lies!

Here you go

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-211_en.htm

So here is a little test for you GiG

Given the above can you now accept that your prior claims that

"Meanwhile the evaluation it will be based on does NOT criticise Greece but offers solutions"

and

"In fact if you look at the report instead of your discussion site, it's more critical of Sweden and others!"

and

"In fact the 8th biannual evaluation that this is all based on states only this about Greece:"

in regards to which evaluation report would be used were in fact (not in opinion but in fact) wrong. Let us not call them lies but mistakes.

Can you accept that, in fact, that the evaluation that 'it' has been based on is not the one you claimed would be used in quote one above. That you were in fact wrong ?

Can you accept that the report that was (in your opinion) more critical of Sweden than Greece, as it turns out, is not the one that has now been used by the EU commission in regards to it today having "adopted the Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece etc etc " , despite you implying in quote 2 above that it would be. That you were in fact wrong ?

Can you accept that implying, as you did in quote three, that the only evaluation report that was relevant was the 8th biannual evaluation, was in fact wrong ?

Can you accept on just this one thing alone and nothing else, of which evaluation report would be used as the basis for the EU Commission deciding to either make recommendations to the EU Council or not re Greece's implementation of its Schengen obligations, you were in fact wrong. ?

I personally am of the opinion that you will most likely prove unable to do so. Still I actually can countenance the possibility that I can sometimes be wrong.