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Re: peace referenda in march 2016

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon May 04, 2015 10:52 pm

Get Real! wrote:
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Get Real! wrote:Lordo needs to wake up to reality...

With (1) Turkey not wanting to relinquish its foothold on Cyprus, and the (2) RoC not wanting to relinquish its legal authority on Cyprus, the probability that a tiny group of people you call the “TCs” attaining anything worthwhile on Cyprus, is... next to zero!


You assumptions are dogmatic. I actually foresee a good chance for a solution,and that will certainly not come from the Tcs alone but from the GCs as well. May you have a happy and prosperous New year 2016 too GR!

I really can’t see the Cyprus National Council coming to an agreement to hand over any authority to Turks, and I wouldn’t blame them either. What’s in it for them anyway? :? Nothing!

Both Cyprus and Turkey are screwing the TCs around giving them false hopes that some level of “power” over Cyprus is coming in their direction when in reality they both know that that’s not the ulterior plan.


Absolutely groundless.
Is this another Choirokitian theory?
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Re: peace referenda in march 2016

Postby Get Real! » Mon May 04, 2015 11:13 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Get Real! wrote:I really can’t see the Cyprus National Council coming to an agreement to hand over any authority to Turks, and I wouldn’t blame them either. What’s in it for them anyway? :? Nothing!

Both Cyprus and Turkey are screwing the TCs around giving them false hopes that some level of “power” over Cyprus is coming in their direction when in reality they both know that that’s not the ulterior plan.

Absolutely groundless.
Is this another Choirokitian theory?

It’s coming from somebody who knows only too well that in politics there is always a “published” version of intended foreign policy (or direction if you prefer) that circulates in the media for mass consumption, and then there’s the REAL agenda that only circulates among the political “elite”.

On Cyprus there are only two forces… (1) Turkey having the military edge over 37% of the territory, and (2) the RoC having the legal edge over the whole island.

There is no 3rd player no matter how you look at it and both these powers use the TCs as their excuse to dislodge each other off Cyprus or to lessen each other’s influence.

The RoC is working overtime to close off Turkey from potential regional hydrocarbon projects whereas Turkey is working rather sluggishly to convince the region that they are the best option.

Eventually, I predict that the RoC will get its way with regional hydrocarbons due to all the effort they’ve put into it and Turkey will not be amused but by then too many foreign parties will have a vested interest to tolerate any Turkish foolishness.

The RoC basically wants to liberate its territory and reap the rewards of any hydrocarbon projects whereas Turkey wants the military foothold and to be a part of those projects so both their agendas are in direct conflict with a “TC state” of any kind.
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Re: peace referenda in march 2016

Postby Lordo » Mon May 04, 2015 11:41 pm

i am glad you have finally realised that tcs have the mainly roc to thank for their predicament. difficluty is getting nasty to the table and getting him to back the plan he negotiates. the sultan is bound to do his worst verbally but he receives 14 billion from the yanks and thats a lot of power over the sultan. the question is are the aemricans interested in peace and judging by what you boys have gifted them in terms of resources i think they will be at the suultans throat in no time.

the time has come to sign on the dotted line, get the ayse to return from her long overdue holiday you boys to sell off the lovely weapons you paid full price for at a fraction of what it cost and we shall have peace.

i shall then invite you to and tim to girne for sheftali and efes all you can eat and drink. charlui will not be allowed not even the scraps like a dog that he is.
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Re: peace referenda in march 2016

Postby Paphitis » Tue May 05, 2015 7:50 am

Lordo wrote:i am glad you have finally realised that tcs have the mainly roc to thank for their predicament. difficluty is getting nasty to the table and getting him to back the plan he negotiates. the sultan is bound to do his worst verbally but he receives 14 billion from the yanks and thats a lot of power over the sultan. the question is are the aemricans interested in peace and judging by what you boys have gifted them in terms of resources i think they will be at the suultans throat in no time.

the time has come to sign on the dotted line, get the ayse to return from her long overdue holiday you boys to sell off the lovely weapons you paid full price for at a fraction of what it cost and we shall have peace.

i shall then invite you to and tim to girne for sheftali and efes all you can eat and drink. charlui will not be allowed not even the scraps like a dog that he is.


The TCs will need to help themselves before they get any help from us. Prove to us they are worthy of our time!

Sorry, we need our weapons to defend ourselves from a foreign invader.
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Re: peace referenda in march 2016

Postby Lordo » Tue May 05, 2015 10:42 am

even people in diko are changing their minds. this is what you call progress. best news i have heard in decades. peace is a coming.

http://cyprus-mail.com/2015/05/04/cyprob-split-emerges-within-diko/
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Re: peace referenda in march 2016

Postby Maximus » Tue May 05, 2015 4:12 pm

Lordo wrote:even people in diko are changing their minds. this is what you call progress. best news i have heard in decades. peace is a coming.

http://cyprus-mail.com/2015/05/04/cyprob-split-emerges-within-diko/


Its because they have not digested the BS Akinci is serving yet,

They have yet to realize he brings the same BS as his predecessors.

Some of us here are ahead of the curve.
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Re: peace referenda in march 2016

Postby Lordo » Tue May 05, 2015 5:36 pm

dont you worry your little mind now. they know exactly what akinci is all about and who he represents. have you considered the possibility that things may not be as you see them. it is also possible that you are falling behind too. after all you have not changed your stance in 60 years. enosis is what wanted and enosis is what you will always want and not ever will you get that it.
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Re: peace referenda in march 2016

Postby Nikitas » Tue May 05, 2015 6:24 pm

GR has a point about the TCs being pawns in this game. The way out for them is to break the mold of the talks, this secret diplomacy and cryptic statements and come out with a plan that will appeal to all Cypriots. Getting out of the "special case" role is a first step. Presenting realistic territorial maps is a second step and so on down the line of issues.

The TC leader who can shortcircuti bothTurkey and the GC leaders and appeal directly to GCs will be the winner.

But this is Cyprus we are talking about where conservatism at all levels is the dominant culture. No one dares make a radical move, risk taking is not in the nature of Cypriots. So we will follow the failed recipe of talks, cryptic statements after meetings, and the results are predictable.
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Re: peace referenda in march 2016

Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue May 05, 2015 9:51 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Get Real! wrote:I really can’t see the Cyprus National Council coming to an agreement to hand over any authority to Turks, and I wouldn’t blame them either. What’s in it for them anyway? :? Nothing!

Both Cyprus and Turkey are screwing the TCs around giving them false hopes that some level of “power” over Cyprus is coming in their direction when in reality they both know that that’s not the ulterior plan.

Absolutely groundless.
Is this another Choirokitian theory?

It’s coming from somebody who knows only too well that in politics there is always a “published” version of intended foreign policy (or direction if you prefer) that circulates in the media for mass consumption, and then there’s the REAL agenda that only circulates among the political “elite”.

On Cyprus there are only two forces… (1) Turkey having the military edge over 37% of the territory, and (2) the RoC having the legal edge over the whole island.

There is no 3rd player no matter how you look at it and both these powers use the TCs as their excuse to dislodge each other off Cyprus or to lessen each other’s influence.

The RoC is working overtime to close off Turkey from potential regional hydrocarbon projects whereas Turkey is working rather sluggishly to convince the region that they are the best option.

Eventually, I predict that the RoC will get its way with regional hydrocarbons due to all the effort they’ve put into it and Turkey will not be amused but by then too many foreign parties will have a vested interest to tolerate any Turkish foolishness.

The RoC basically wants to liberate its territory and reap the rewards of any hydrocarbon projects whereas Turkey wants the military foothold and to be a part of those projects so both their agendas are in direct conflict with a “TC state” of any kind.


I' d have no objection examining the issue from the elitist's point of interest starting from the elitist's groups within the RoC. Who are they? The Banks, the Law offices, the Church, the business men including land developers and construction industry, the political parties. I won't count the Refugees directly, but I would count a lot of refugees within Elitist groups, who have huge junks of properties in the occupied. I would also count the Voroshiotes as a special elitist group because they actually are, and hold a lot of power in other other elites especially that of the Hotel owners.
None of those is going to rip the benefits of the hydrocarbons exclusively.Those will be spread all over the population. None of them benefits from being deprived the lands /wealth they own in the occupied or the chance to expand their activities in the occupied.
On the other hand each and everyone of those (the church on top of it) currently loose.
For your information during the Annan Plan the Banks hired foreign experts to advice them whether they would be able to operate at the other const. State. The answer was no. That should tell you a lot.

For these reasons it's impossible for any elitist group (and together with them the average Cypriot) to have reasons to object the process towards/or the end result of- an AGREED solution.
The key points for any solution is the PROPERTIES and the FREEDOMS (including the freedom of free enterprise that is very crucial for the Industrial/commercial elites). Other points like security, settlers etc although important just follow the 2 prerequisites.
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Re: peace referenda in march 2016

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue May 05, 2015 11:33 pm

...in any case it will be based on Universal Principals, if it has any chance of succeeding. Elitist or not, as a solution it will be a Cypriot solution, one that can be identified as having no distinctions or discrimination toward Cypriots, whether they are by ethnic origin, one of the Cypriot Constituencies, or not.
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