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Re: peace referenda in march 2016

Postby Lordo » Tue May 05, 2015 11:35 pm

Nikitas wrote:GR has a point about the TCs being pawns in this game. The way out for them is to break the mold of the talks, this secret diplomacy and cryptic statements and come out with a plan that will appeal to all Cypriots. Getting out of the "special case" role is a first step. Presenting realistic territorial maps is a second step and so on down the line of issues.

The TC leader who can shortcircuti bothTurkey and the GC leaders and appeal directly to GCs will be the winner.

But this is Cyprus we are talking about where conservatism at all levels is the dominant culture. No one dares make a radical move, risk taking is not in the nature of Cypriots. So we will follow the failed recipe of talks, cryptic statements after meetings, and the results are predictable.

you people are so simple when it comes to politics despite your education. this is unbelievable. the relationship between dengtash and terggy deepstate you never understood. what talat started he would have finished but he was too honest with tcs and they were fooled by eroglu who promised then he would not implement ankara protocol. and of course he came on board and that was that the talks were over. but akinci is another matter. i can see that the media and the gc leaders with even half a brain can see that they can no longer continue with the pretense. baby tasos is how most gc politicians reacted to eroglu, suddenly they are taking notice because they know what is coming if these talks fail. and of course needless to say if they fail it will fail because of your leaders' stupidity.

in other words you better wise up and now.
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Re: peace referenda in march 2016

Postby Paphitis » Wed May 06, 2015 2:16 am

Lordo wrote:even people in diko are changing their minds. this is what you call progress. best news i have heard in decades. peace is a coming.

http://cyprus-mail.com/2015/05/04/cyprob-split-emerges-within-diko/


No one has changed their mind.

They are willing to participate in the negotiations in good faith to achieve a solution since there is a new administration in the occupied. But the basic fundamentals of BBF, freedom of movement, Guarantees, the right to property, one man one vote and others still persist. If the blueprint deviates, then they will not agree to anything.
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Re: peace referenda in march 2016

Postby Nikitas » Wed May 06, 2015 10:24 pm

Akinci is different, we concede that. One way to demonstrate his difference from past leaders would be to underline, so that GCs can understand, the difference between communal equality and the one man one vote principle and explain that the one does not violate or cancel out the other.

It sounds basic, perhaps. A reminder how the "other" side understands this basic principle would be a major step to reassure people who for years had the plain term "equality" thrown at them unexplained and have been left to interpret it their way, helped along by well meaning chauvinists.

I am still waiting for Akinci to demonstrate that at least at the communication level he is different.
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Re: peace referenda in march 2016

Postby Lordo » Wed May 06, 2015 10:33 pm

agreed that is one way but not necesarily the only way. he already demonstrated his intentions by offering ercan and magusa port for varosa despite that it is efgaf lands. but what is the difference between that and what talat offered to the comrade. only one. its the way he tells them
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