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Re: A little look back at Cyprus history

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon May 11, 2015 11:06 am

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Tim Drayton wrote:It is clear from Article 4 of Protocol 10 to the Act concerning the conditions of accession of the Czech Republic, the Republic of Estonia, the Republic of Cyprus, the Republic of Latvia, the Republic of Lithuania, the Republic of Hungary, the Republic of Malta, the Republic of Poland, the Republic of Slovenia and the Slovak Republic and the adjustments to the Treaties on which the European Union is founded:

“In the event of a settlement, the Council, acting unanimously on the basis of a proposal from the Commission, shall decide on the adaptations to the terms concerning the accession of Cyprus to the European Union with regard to the Turkish Cypriot Community.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/ ... 03T/PRO/10

that Turkish will become an official EU language if there is a settlement of the Cyprus problem.


The last sentence is your own. It doesn't state anywhere that 'Turkish will become an official EU language'.

Surely, the conditions for allowing the TC community into the EU are there to be decided (as the article makes explicit) - not imposed by the Turkish background of TCs or the unfair demands of a belligerent minority .... or by the desires of a Turkish translator.

Cyprus needs the constitutional changes that the EU can finally offer to rectify the dictatorial imperialist slavic conditions imposed by the British which make Greek Cypriots perpetually exploitable by both Turkey and Britain, right?


It is a logical inference.
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Re: A little look back at Cyprus history

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Mon May 11, 2015 6:46 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:It is clear from Article 4 of Protocol 10 to the Act concerning the conditions of accession of the Czech Republic, the Republic of Estonia, the Republic of Cyprus, the Republic of Latvia, the Republic of Lithuania, the Republic of Hungary, the Republic of Malta, the Republic of Poland, the Republic of Slovenia and the Slovak Republic and the adjustments to the Treaties on which the European Union is founded:

“In the event of a settlement, the Council, acting unanimously on the basis of a proposal from the Commission, shall decide on the adaptations to the terms concerning the accession of Cyprus to the European Union with regard to the Turkish Cypriot Community.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/ ... 03T/PRO/10

that Turkish will become an official EU language if there is a settlement of the Cyprus problem.


The last sentence is your own. It doesn't state anywhere that 'Turkish will become an official EU language'.

Surely, the conditions for allowing the TC community into the EU are there to be decided (as the article makes explicit) - not imposed by the Turkish background of TCs or the unfair demands of a belligerent minority .... or by the desires of a Turkish translator.

Cyprus needs the constitutional changes that the EU can finally offer to rectify the dictatorial imperialist slavic conditions imposed by the British which make Greek Cypriots perpetually exploitable by both Turkey and Britain, right?


It is a logical inference.


No, it's just YOUR inference. :wink:
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Re: A little look back at Cyprus history

Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue May 12, 2015 9:45 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:"Cyprus History"

Turkish was a very recent import to Cyprus - imported by the British to help split the island.

This Turkish was a language invented in Turkey by Ataturk at a time (1920s) when Turkey had ZERO hold on Cyprus. The British brought Turkey into Cyprus' affairs in the 1950s and instilled this opportunistic language for political gain. Such imperialist tricks must be exposed and shunned now.

As I said - it is NO LONGER a recognized language of the Republic of Cyprus - by deed of the EU!


You are talking shite again, Madam, with your usual distortions of the truth. Turkish as a language has written inscriptions dating back to 700 AD or so and it was in fact imported into Cyprus with the Ottoman Invasion, not by the Brits - that is your usual shit for brains racism kicking in - Ottoman Turkish however imported may words from Arabic and Persian, and what Kemal did, or tried to do, was take many of the loan words out.

In actual fact the version of Turkish spoken in Cyprus was NOT the version promoted by Kemal but a distinct dialect unique to Cyprus which is now declining under the influence of the Anatolian Settlers - may they all soon piss off to Turkey along with troops - and the influence of Turkish Media - TV and the Like. Otherwise what language were the current TC speaking in 1878 and how did the British managed to persuade some 20% of the Population to speak a new language?

Wallow in your delusions - they are a canker eating you up in you own hatred from the inside.
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Re: A little look back at Cyprus history

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue May 12, 2015 10:04 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:It is clear from Article 4 of Protocol 10 to the Act concerning the conditions of accession of the Czech Republic, the Republic of Estonia, the Republic of Cyprus, the Republic of Latvia, the Republic of Lithuania, the Republic of Hungary, the Republic of Malta, the Republic of Poland, the Republic of Slovenia and the Slovak Republic and the adjustments to the Treaties on which the European Union is founded:

“In the event of a settlement, the Council, acting unanimously on the basis of a proposal from the Commission, shall decide on the adaptations to the terms concerning the accession of Cyprus to the European Union with regard to the Turkish Cypriot Community.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/ ... 03T/PRO/10

that Turkish will become an official EU language if there is a settlement of the Cyprus problem.


The last sentence is your own. It doesn't state anywhere that 'Turkish will become an official EU language'.

Surely, the conditions for allowing the TC community into the EU are there to be decided (as the article makes explicit) - not imposed by the Turkish background of TCs or the unfair demands of a belligerent minority .... or by the desires of a Turkish translator.

Cyprus needs the constitutional changes that the EU can finally offer to rectify the dictatorial imperialist slavic conditions imposed by the British which make Greek Cypriots perpetually exploitable by both Turkey and Britain, right?


It is a logical inference.


No, it's just YOUR inference. :wink:


Correct, I find it logical to infer that among "adaptations to the terms concerning the accession of Cyprus to the European Union with regard to the Turkish Cypriot Community" will be the adoption of Turkish as an official EU language. If you wish to disagree, that is your prerogative.
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Re: A little look back at Cyprus history

Postby Sotos » Tue May 12, 2015 10:44 am

A related question is: What other countries have as official, languages spoken by minorities... especially non-native minorities? Some examples: Bulgaria has 10% Turkish speakers, but Turkish is not an official languages. Latvia has nearly 30% Russian speakers but Russian is not an official language... same with the other Baltics. Kurdish is not an official language in Turkey. There are some ... like English in South Africa... but this doesn't seem to be the norm.
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Re: A little look back at Cyprus history

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue May 12, 2015 10:47 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:It is clear from Article 4 of Protocol 10 to the Act concerning the conditions of accession of the Czech Republic, the Republic of Estonia, the Republic of Cyprus, the Republic of Latvia, the Republic of Lithuania, the Republic of Hungary, the Republic of Malta, the Republic of Poland, the Republic of Slovenia and the Slovak Republic and the adjustments to the Treaties on which the European Union is founded:

“In the event of a settlement, the Council, acting unanimously on the basis of a proposal from the Commission, shall decide on the adaptations to the terms concerning the accession of Cyprus to the European Union with regard to the Turkish Cypriot Community.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/ ... 03T/PRO/10

that Turkish will become an official EU language if there is a settlement of the Cyprus problem.


The last sentence is your own. It doesn't state anywhere that 'Turkish will become an official EU language'.

Surely, the conditions for allowing the TC community into the EU are there to be decided (as the article makes explicit) - not imposed by the Turkish background of TCs or the unfair demands of a belligerent minority .... or by the desires of a Turkish translator.

Cyprus needs the constitutional changes that the EU can finally offer to rectify the dictatorial imperialist slavic conditions imposed by the British which make Greek Cypriots perpetually exploitable by both Turkey and Britain, right?


It is a logical inference.


No, it's just YOUR inference. :wink:


Correct, I find it logical to infer that among "adaptations to the terms concerning the accession of Cyprus to the European Union with regard to the Turkish Cypriot Community" will be the adoption of Turkish as an official EU language. If you wish to disagree, that is your prerogative.



And yet you tried to pass it off as "will become". I don't need to tell you, of all people, about the rhetorical significance of what you just did in that post. :wink:

Now, what is logical is for the Cypriot people to not be continually divided by the enforcement of Turkish as an official language in an attempt to continue the anachronistic and divisive tactics that Imperialist Britain enforced upon us before semi-departing from Cyprus! Turkish is a recent, foreign introduction and has NO historical basis for being enshrined in our Constitution! Agreed?

My hope is that the EU perspective on human/individual rights will prevail and the ONLY logical thing will come to pass ...
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Re: A little look back at Cyprus history

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue May 12, 2015 10:51 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:"Cyprus History"

Turkish was a very recent import to Cyprus - imported by the British to help split the island.

This Turkish was a language invented in Turkey by Ataturk at a time (1920s) when Turkey had ZERO hold on Cyprus. The British brought Turkey into Cyprus' affairs in the 1950s and instilled this opportunistic language for political gain. Such imperialist tricks must be exposed and shunned now.

As I said - it is NO LONGER a recognized language of the Republic of Cyprus - by deed of the EU!


You are talking shite again, Madam, with your usual distortions of the truth. Turkish as a language has written inscriptions dating back to 700 AD or so and it was in fact imported into Cyprus with the Ottoman Invasion, not by the Brits - that is your usual shit for brains racism kicking in - Ottoman Turkish however imported may words from Arabic and Persian, and what Kemal did, or tried to do, was take many of the loan words out.

In actual fact the version of Turkish spoken in Cyprus was NOT the version promoted by Kemal but a distinct dialect unique to Cyprus which is now declining under the influence of the Anatolian Settlers - may they all soon piss off to Turkey along with troops - and the influence of Turkish Media - TV and the Like. Otherwise what language were the current TC speaking in 1878 and how did the British managed to persuade some 20% of the Population to speak a new language?

Wallow in your delusions - they are a canker eating you up in you own hatred from the inside.


If there is any canker eating me up, it is because my country is under Turkish occupation. Now, what is the hatred eating you up that you have to keep finding Wikipedia nonsense to try and counter comments you only half understand?
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Re: A little look back at Cyprus history

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue May 12, 2015 11:01 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:

And yet you tried to pass it off as "will become". I don't need to tell you, of all people, about the rhetorical significance of what you just did in that post. :wink:

Now, what is logical is for the Cypriot people to not be continually divided by the enforcement of Turkish as an official language in an attempt to continue the anachronistic and divisive tactics that Imperialist Britain enforced upon us before semi-departing from Cyprus! Turkish is a recent, foreign introduction and has NO historical basis for being enshrined in our Constitution! Agreed?

My hope is that the EU perspective on human/individual rights will prevail and the ONLY logical thing will come to pass ...


To my mind, it is clear that this is what will happen if there is a settlement to the Cyprus problem.
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Re: A little look back at Cyprus history

Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue May 12, 2015 11:03 am

Turkish is not a recent introduction by the British - it was introduced by the Ottomans - if you call that recent - but then you live so much in the (mythical) past any way that would not surprise me.

The British did not impose the speaking of Turkish on anyone, let alone the version of Turkish propagated only after the period 1928. when the script was changed, to 1932, when language reform was started - how could they induce 20% of the Population to speak a new language, to them in such a short time ?
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Re: A little look back at Cyprus history

Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue May 12, 2015 11:11 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:"Cyprus History"

Turkish was a very recent import to Cyprus - imported by the British to help split the island.

This Turkish was a language invented in Turkey by Ataturk at a time (1920s) when Turkey had ZERO hold on Cyprus. The British brought Turkey into Cyprus' affairs in the 1950s and instilled this opportunistic language for political gain. Such imperialist tricks must be exposed and shunned now.

As I said - it is NO LONGER a recognized language of the Republic of Cyprus - by deed of the EU!


You are talking shite again, Madam, with your usual distortions of the truth. Turkish as a language has written inscriptions dating back to 700 AD or so and it was in fact imported into Cyprus with the Ottoman Invasion, not by the Brits - that is your usual shit for brains racism kicking in - Ottoman Turkish however imported may words from Arabic and Persian, and what Kemal did, or tried to do, was take many of the loan words out.

In actual fact the version of Turkish spoken in Cyprus was NOT the version promoted by Kemal but a distinct dialect unique to Cyprus which is now declining under the influence of the Anatolian Settlers - may they all soon piss off to Turkey along with troops - and the influence of Turkish Media - TV and the Like. Otherwise what language were the current TC speaking in 1878 and how did the British managed to persuade some 20% of the Population to speak a new language?

Wallow in your delusions - they are a canker eating you up in you own hatred from the inside.


If there is any canker eating me up, it is because my country is under Turkish occupation. Now, what is the hatred eating you up that you have to keep finding Wikipedia nonsense to try and counter comments you only half understand?


You are making assertions which are nonsense and thus incapable of being understood - as is not unusual. I ask you again: how could Britain get 20% or so of the population to learn a language in the space of under 40 years? The answer is they did not - because the version of Turkish they actually spoke - which was distinct from Mainland Turkish - developed before the Brits ever took over Cyprus in 1878 - where it arrived following the 16th C Ottoman Invasion and settlement.
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