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Is one TC worth 5 GCs?

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Re: Is one TC worth 5 GCs?

Postby Paphitis » Fri May 15, 2015 12:01 pm

Lordo wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Lordo wrote:you dont understand international politics and how the americans control everything. you cant help being simple like the old demented fool.


Simple?

Put yourself in the Israeli shoes or the shoes of their commander.

They had a routine Boarding to perform where no one was to be hurt. All of a sudden all hell breaks loose when the Turks take to them with sticks, steel pipes and sharp knives. One soldier was nearly man handled over board.

Assessment: the lives of the soldiers are now at risk.

Result: order given to fire in self Defence.

Aftermath: 9 dead and some casualties.

nine dead your arshole boy, nine unarmed people murdered. its the way the bastards work, murdering innocent civilians.


Unarmed? Are you joking?

A boarding party of 8 boards the vessel. Whether you like it or not, this is a Military Operation and bound by the Geneva Convention. It's not illegal to board the Ship if the country responsible perceives a threat of anything including terrorism.

Yet, no one needed to get hurt if they cooperated with the boarding. The ship would be diverted to Israel, and the aid will eventually be transferred to the UN.

But you did not cooperate. Instead, you attacked the boarding party. You attacked with knives even. Hundreds of passengers attacked 8 Israeli soldiers. Initially, they responded with tear gas and stun grenades. You still attacked them relentlessly.

What would be going through the CO's head? I will tell you. He didn't want to lose any of his boys or explain to their girlfriends he is dead. FACT. They could have been 18 year old conscripts. Kids that have not lived.

Order was given to use any force necessary to defend themselves. It resulted in 9 dead.

That's the way it goes I'm afraid. But all along you didn't believe they will shoot. They held out for so long. Well not for too much longer. The line is crossed once they believe they are going to lose some of their men. So they opened fire and that is the end of that.

Murder? I don't think so. War crime? No way!

Take them to the ICJ and see for yourself.
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Re: Is one TC worth 5 GCs?

Postby Paphitis » Fri May 15, 2015 12:16 pm

The IDF could never let you break the blockade. This is a fact.

If they let you through because you were a bunch of bloodthirsty psychotic lunatics then it compromises them. It encourages other ships to also do the same because you got away with it.

This is how they think.

You were always going to lose. You will never win.

And if you managed to kill one of their guys, they will make you pay for it more.

You asked for it and got it! Simple as that.

If you cooperated, then you would have been sweet. No boarding party goes looking for trouble.

And don't start about International Waters. Ships are boarded by Australia in International Waters all the time. Sometimes by the SAS. They usually contact the ship first and you would want to comply with what they want because they will board the easy way or the hard way. It's up to the ship, but the easy way is normally best for everyone!

Usually they are first contacted by an aircraft to change course, and sometimes up to 48 hours before the boarding party arrives. sometimes the aircraft stays with them all that time but usually they are tracked by Satellites.
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Re: Is one TC worth 5 GCs?

Postby Lordo » Sat May 16, 2015 11:51 am

first you have to be a human to understand what the blockade is doing. you and the idf and the yanks can go to hell boy and beyond.
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Re: Is one TC worth 5 GCs?

Postby Paphitis » Sat May 16, 2015 12:52 pm

Lordo wrote:first you have to be a human to understand what the blockade is doing. you and the idf and the yanks can go to hell boy and beyond.


That is a separate issue altogether.

They perceive a threat which is why they have a blockade to capture contraband. It's not to prevent aid from getting through.

You interfered and failed to cooperate with a Military Operation and paid a price for it.
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