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Postby Piratis » Mon Sep 13, 2004 9:11 pm

TCs which a part of TC community majorly have been living in UK, Australia and some other countries have never asked a "political equality" other than in Cyprus, their homeland. Why? Let's see if your simple mind would guess why?


Because Turkey can not force those countries to accept that part of their citizens should not be equal like the rest but "super citizens" instead. If Turkey had the power to do it, it would.

Are you sure? So why you still don't accept just a single TC as a government employee in RoC?Why do you prefer to provide good jobs to the members of your community and all other jobs which the members of GC community don't like to do, you employed TCs and some employees from 3rd world countries?


First of all you are very wrong. Go ask any Armenian, Latin or Maronite if they have any complains that the GCs take all the job positions and they don't.

The case of TCs now is different. Today you are occupying more than one third of the ground, and more than 60% of the natural resources. So you, the 18%, wants all that just for you without sharing, and at the same time you want to share the free part with us?

By the way, there are many TCs that are employees. Those that pay their taxes and fulfill their duties like the rest of us. We also have at least one TC professor in the University of Cyprus.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Sep 13, 2004 9:20 pm

The concept of numerical minorites having equal status / rights as a 'group' with other numericaly greater groups is nothing new - the concept exists in many forms aroiund the world.


So why don't you give us an example of a community that does not own a specific area in the country (like the Scottish in the UK for example), and that have what you are asking from us. Just give me one example.

I can give you many: The Hispanics, or African Americans in the US, Moroccans in France, Muslims in the UK, Russians in Lithuania, Greeks in Turkey, Gypsies in Romania ... you want more?

So lets see how many relevant examples you can find.
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Postby insan » Mon Sep 13, 2004 9:21 pm

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If what you are telling me is a pure truth; we should come to an outcome that:

1- Turkish soldiers are rapist but Greek and Greek Cypriot soldiers are not rapist. Does it sound logical to you?

2- Or Greek and GC soldiers too, raped so many TC women and they didn't made it public.


What's the difference of a Turkish/TC soldier and a Greek/GC soldier? Barbarians and angels? Rapists and innocents? Illiterates and highbows? Logically, the percentages of fascists in every nation and community is almost the same. Is it logical to claim Turkish fascists are also the rapists and illiterates and the Greek/GC fascists are angels... or they are just killers but not rapists...?


It doesn't seem to me logical.... When the Greek and GC fascists have heard so many GC women raped by Turkish soldiers; they should have immediately raped all of the TC women who were in south or until the population exchange agreement. The ones who completely massacred population of 4 TC villages for retaliation, could easily rape the rest.


I'm still trying to find the reason or differences amongst the fascists of different nations... I hope you'll help me to understand...
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Postby insan » Mon Sep 13, 2004 9:34 pm

Because Turkey can not force those countries to accept that part of their citizens should not be equal like the rest but "super citizens" instead. If Turkey had the power to do it, it would.



Hahahahaha! You are so funny Piratis.


First of all you are very wrong. Go ask any Armenian, Latin or Maronite if they have any complains that the GCs take all the job positions and they don't.



"The ones" discrimination is only against TCs. Go ask to TCs.

The case of TCs now is different. Today you are occupying more than one third of the ground, and more than 60% of the natural resources. So you, the 18%, wants all that just for you without sharing, and at the same time you want to share the free part with us?



Majority of TCs want all their rights and responsibilities back in a fair, safe, viable United Cyprus... Includes "political equality" on legislative and judicial bodies as political safe guard but not on executive body.

By the way, there are many TCs that are employees. Those that pay their taxes and fulfill their duties like the rest of us. We also have at least one TC professor in the University of Cyprus.



That's true. %99 of TC employees work at Construction Industry doesn't that disturb you? Normaly they should be employed in all sectors. And yes, the TCs which agree with your kind of GCs in general; can even be a professor in your universities.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Sep 13, 2004 9:42 pm

What's the difference of a Turkish/TC soldier and a Greek soldier?


Well, Insan, no offense but the Turks as a people are a militaristic one. This is not the place to compare histories but if your logic is "because Turks acted like that it means everybody acts like that", is false.

Just some months ago a father in Turkey killed his daughter because she was raped!! The Turkish courts actually gave much lighter sentences to people committing such crimes because they consider them "honour killings"!!

A Turkish Cypriot is different and wouldn't do such things, the same goes for Greek Cypriots. This is not to say that TCs or GCs can not be rapist, they can, but those will be criminal occasions like they occur in every country, and not mass committed as it was done by the Turkish army in 74.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Sep 13, 2004 9:57 pm

Majority of TCs want all their rights and responsibilities back in a fair, safe, viable United Cyprus... Includes "political equality" on legislative and judicial bodies as political safe guard but not on executive body.


Your right is to have political equality as people like everybody does. It is not your right to have 50% power though.


That's true. %99 of TC employees work at Construction Industry doesn't that disturb you? Normaly they should be employed in all sectors. And yes, the TCs which agree with your kind of GCs in general; can even be a professor in your universities.

Construction Industry belongs to the private sector. They pay a specific salary and if you want to work for them you can. Nobody forced them to do so.
You are again talking like you want to keep the north part just for you and at the same time share equally the free part!! If this is not outrageous I don't know what is.
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Postby insan » Mon Sep 13, 2004 10:20 pm

Just some months ago a father in Turkey killed his daughter because she was raped!! The Turkish courts actually gave much lighter sentences to people committing such crimes because they consider them "honour killings"!!



I don't approve murdering of any people by any reason. The ones who got the belief that this kind of crimes are "honour killings", completely wrong and meaningless. They should be punished as all murderers. If you think that this kind of people are majority amongst Turks, you are wrong. even I assure you that they are Kurdish originated people who mainly live in eastern regions and enclaves of Turkey.

A Turkish Cypriot is different and wouldn't do such things, the same goes for Greek Cypriots. This is not to say that TCs or GCs can not be rapist, they can, but those will be criminal occasions like they occur in every country, and not mass committed as it was done by the Turkish army in 74.



So you believe that majority of "Turks" are rapists and fascists and even militants because those soldiers are children of "Turks"(People from different ethnic origins such as Turks, Kurds, Arabs...)


Why TCs are different since they are the descendants of those "Turks"? Perhaps, they are all converted Greeks even the fascist gangs of TMT, eh?



Yo Piratis, you make the whole world laugh at you.
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Postby mehmet » Mon Sep 13, 2004 10:28 pm

I would like to call a halt to this disputing issues about rape. I have no evidence for or against but I have heard enough from people on this forum and elsewhere to have a gut feeling that this is the truth. That soldiers took advantage of their power to humiliate women from the 'enemy' community.

I find it hard to accept that Greek Cypriot's would for 30 years perpetuate thisand I find the denial that such things happen in war a little shameful. You only have to remember the Serbs in Bosnia and the recent pictures of Iraqis in Amereican run prisons to know such things go on.

On a different level I would like to move the discussion to the subject of misssing people. I fear and believe they are all dead and buried. Hopefully the recent meeting between Anastassiades and Talat will lead to this issue being finished. The families of the missing people deserve to be able to come to terms with what happened.
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Postby insan » Mon Sep 13, 2004 10:34 pm

Construction Industry belongs to the private sector. They pay a specific salary and if you want to work for them you can. Nobody forced them to do so.


But they could be protected by your modern, social democrat government fairly. I'd like to hear some "Cypriot" politicians talking about those "Cypriots" ... The ones who have skills and proficiency at other sectors, must be transfered to those sectors as a result of individual equality... Telling me that "nobody forced them to do so" doesn't sound to me friendly.... Give them just one option and tell me that nobody forced them to do so... You thik you are so smart...Apparently no one cares about them.


You are again talking like you want to keep the north part just for you and at the same time share equally the free part!! If this is not outrageous I don't know what is.



Those "Cypriots" who work in South have nothing to do about the things you say... Do they have to pay the price of others "mistakes"?
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Postby insan » Mon Sep 13, 2004 10:57 pm

I find it hard to accept that Greek Cypriot's would for 30 years perpetuate thisand I find the denial that such things happen in war a little shameful.



If the claim has been rape crime committed by some soldiers of both parties, I could say it is probable.... The claim is that Turkish soldiers intentionally and systematicaly raped thousands of GC women but Greek and GC soldiers didn't rape just a single TC woman. Then one would think that turkish soldiers are the children of another God. Though Piratis is an Ateist. This is meaningless to him...


I have no evidence for or against but I have heard enough from people on this forum and elsewhere to have a gut feeling that this is the truth. That soldiers took advantage of their power to humiliate women from the 'enemy' community.



If this was their case, both sides soldiers had taken this advantage....
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