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What could Turkey do other than intervening militarily?

Postby insan » Thu Sep 09, 2004 9:30 pm

- What could Turkey do other than intervening militarily afterwards the the coup of July 15th?

- Had Turkey not intervened militarily, would Sampson sooner or later declare Enosis and destroy all of the obstacles in front of Enosis or not?

It is said that: The Greek newspaper Eleftherotipia published an interview with Nicos Sampson on 26th February 1981 in which he said "Had Turkey not intervened I would not only have proclaimed ENOSIS - I would have annihilated the Turks in Cyprus."


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Postby Piratis » Thu Sep 09, 2004 10:28 pm

If Turkey intervened to restore the constitutional order in Cyprus then today we would all be grateful and celebrate that day together.

Unfortunately, Turkey used the coup made by the CIA puppets - the military junta in Greece, as an excuse to occupy part of Cyprus.
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Postby insan » Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:45 pm

If Turkey intervened to restore the constitutional order in Cyprus then today we would all be grateful and celebrate that day together.


Was it possible to restore the constitutional order as a mixed unitary state after the events of 74 and backwards? Actually Turkey should have seized her power on entire island, arrested all who were responsible of the coup, consigned them to the courts and kept supporting the intercommunal talks among two communities leadership. But if she had tried to seize her power on entire island, perhaps it might have caused more blood shed.

I don't think that majority of two communities would be able to live in mixed villages and towns after the events of 74 because of heavy human life losses of both sides. Retaliation feelings and will of taking revenge of the losses was highly probable.
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Postby MicAtCyp » Sat Sep 11, 2004 9:13 pm

Insan wrote: What could Turkey do other than intervening militarily?


A lot of things.

1)Announce a clear warning, stating in detail her expectations and her demands.
2)Go to the United Nations, and claim restoration of the constitutional Order plus sufficient guarantees for the safety of the TCs including their protection from military units that would arrive from Turkey and be under the command of UN officers.
3)Ask that the governing of the RoC is undertaken by the UN for as long as it is required to have a stable state, including the disolving of all armed forces other than Eldyk and Turdyk.
4)Demand the application of a plan aiming at the disarmament of all GC and TC paramilitary groups.

Make it clear that if nothing of the above would apply or in case they applied they were not effective, that she would intervene, to solve the problem via partition.In fact all these could be done long before 1974.

The aim however was different all along.It was to make the situation as bad as possible plus have a legal excuse to invade. While the situation was much worse in 1963 and in 1967 nothing happened because the legal excuse was missing.In 1974 the situation was almost normal. The coup and Sampson gave the legal excuse ready in the plate...
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Postby iskismet » Sun Sep 12, 2004 12:09 pm

I don't remember it quite like that, although I do agree with some of your points.

TCs were being killed, immediate decisions were required - the negotiation/UN path is too slow, you can see that even now in other areas of the world.

Unfortunately the UK wouldn't act so (in my opinion) they provided tacit support which encouraged the Turkish Army to launch a 'peace' operation.
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Postby Piratis » Sun Sep 12, 2004 12:54 pm

TCs were being killed, immediate decisions were required - the negotiation/UN path is too slow, you can see that even now in other areas of the world.


No, TCs were not killed by the coupists, their aim was Makarios and the forces who supported him. Some killings of TCs started after Turkey started the invasion.
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Postby insan » Sun Sep 12, 2004 1:30 pm

No, TCs were not killed by the coupists, their aim was Makarios and the forces who supported him.



Makarios and the forces who supported him were the firs targets of coupists and the next target was TC community because they were also an obstacle infront of Enosis. The ones who killed 100s of people within their community for the Enosis, obviously would kill 1000s of the members of TC community. Should Turkey wait for this?


Coupists achieved the coup and killed hundreds of GCs despite the presence of UN peace keeping forces. 300 Coupists maintained their illegal activities despite the thousands of "legal security forces" of RoC and UN. What are you talking about? A full stop should be put by the guarantor powers. Greece was already in Cyprus illegally. Britain rejected a joint intervention and Turkey intervened alone.
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Postby Piratis » Sun Sep 12, 2004 1:42 pm

Turkey used the coup as an excuse to invade our country.

The killed 6000 people most of them innocents.

200.000 refugees as a result of their invasion.

1500 missing people

They raped under age girls.

Those criminals should be punished for these. Are you going to support these murderers?
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Postby Mike » Sun Sep 12, 2004 1:49 pm

Those criminals should be punished


They will. First step is to say no to Turkey's EU accession.
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Postby iskismet » Sun Sep 12, 2004 1:59 pm

And the criminals who murdered TCs 1963 to 1970 - will they also be brought to justice. Come on Piratis - somewhere along the line there has to be a spirit of forgiveness.

As soon as you get upset you come out with the same old statements.

I have told you before, if there is to be peace you have to get rid of the hate - it is clear to me that you personally still have it in you (and you weren't around when it was happening), so it has come from your upbringing in Cyprus.

I came across an disgusting and repulsive website yesterday

http://kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/lambousa/

How can there be peace when 'your' people propagate such things?

I am happy for you to call me biased on the last part of this contribution - I would hope everybody including GCs would be biased against people who wrote or were instrumental in that site.
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