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Re: No Guarantors ...!!!

Postby Maximus » Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:42 pm

Mustiejodu wrote:
Maximus wrote:Obviously musti, the percentages speak for themselves but if this wasn't such a ridiculous way of looking at things it would be hilarious. It takes stupidity to a whole new level.

So what you saying Musti,

Displacing / killing 1.5 million Armenians from a total population of 3 million is the same as killing half a family of 6?



Now look who is being stupid . Why are you comparing it of 2 extremes that are not in a comparitive grouping . I am comparing this to a group of ethnic people who lived in Cyprus to which both were displaced. 45000 TCs out of a total of 110000 TCs and 185000 GCS out of a total of 650000 GCS equals to 40% of the TCs population was displaced to 28 % of the GC population . That was nearly half of the TCs that were displaced . If you killed 185000 TCs they would be extinct you fucking idiot . Who is the idiot now .


Your just trying to make it seem like the TC's are the greater victim.

You really are stupid. :lol:
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Re: No Guarantors ...!!!

Postby Nikitas » Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:50 pm

Aren't we confusing displacing with ethnic cleansing?

One case I know from close up, the TCs of Peristerona, near Morphou, were displaced in 1964. Their fields were used by GCs till 1968, then the TCs came back and got rent for those fields. In no instance were these properties "nationalised" or in any way expropriated. And the village did not have its name changed either.
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Re: No Guarantors ...!!!

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Jun 17, 2015 11:02 pm

The real numbers are these:
from 1960-1974 (mainly during 1963-67): 25000 TC refugees
in 1974. About 200,000 GC refugees.
In 1974:ZERO TC refugees.
In 1975 under the 3rd Vienna agreement (after turkey;s threat that she would advance again to "liberate" the Tcs living around in the non occupied area) 50,000 TCs moved under UN escort from the free areas to the occupied.

Real comparison of situations:
25,000 TC Refugees from 1960 to 1974- remained homeless (21% of their population)
200,000 GC Refugees in 1974 -remained homeless (40% of their population)
None of the 50000 TC displaced in 1975 remained homeless, in fact they went to the occupied and got 2-3 times more stolen property than what they had left behind.
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Re: No Guarantors ...!!!

Postby Maximus » Wed Jun 17, 2015 11:18 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:The real numbers are these:
from 1960-1974 (mainly during 1963-67): 25000 TC refugees
in 1974. About 200,000 GC refugees.
In 1974:ZERO TC refugees.
In 1975 under the 3rd Vienna agreement (after turkey;s threat that she would advance again to "liberate" the Tcs living around in the non occupied area) 50,000 TCs moved under UN escort from the free areas to the occupied.

Real comparison of situations:
25,000 TC Refugees from 1960 to 1974- remained homeless (21% of their population)
200,000 GC Refugees in 1974 -remained homeless (40% of their population)
None of the 50000 TC displaced in 1975 remained homeless, in fact they went to the occupied and got 2-3 times more stolen property than what they had left behind.


So they didnt actually lose anything did they Pyro,

The Tcs gained on the GCs expense.

Obvious is obvious,
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Re: No Guarantors ...!!!

Postby Mustiejodu » Wed Jun 17, 2015 11:23 pm

I HAVE JUST HAD ONE TOTALLY DIFFERENT FIGURE FROM ONE GC THEN YOU COME OUT WITH A CONFLICTING . NO DOUBT EVEN FIGURES WILL BE MASSAGED JUST TO QUICKLY GET THE PROPOGANDA MACHINE GOING AGAIN AS YOU HAVE REALISED I CAUGHT YOU Off GUARD :D :lol: . YOUR STATEMENT PROVES TO ME THAT YOU AKNOWLEDGE THAT THE PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT DOES REFLECT THE TRUE REPRESENTATION OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE DISPLACED OF THE ETHNIC GROUP AND AS THERE HAVE BEEN 3 CONFLICTING FIGURES OF WHICH 2 WERE VERY SIMILAR HOWEVER THE RESULT SHOWED THE TCS AS BEING DISPLACED AT A HIGHER PERCENTAGE AND AT NO POINT DID SNYONE AGREE TO THE WAY THE PERCENTAGE REFLECTED THE TRUTH . ONLY WHEN THE FIGURE PRESENTED BY YOU WHICH SHOWS THE TCS AT A LESSER PERCENTAGE YOU THEN ACKNOWLEDGE THE REPRESENTATION AS BEING THE CORRECT WAY OF CALCULATING THE FIGURES . DO YOU THINK THAT I WAS BORN YESTERDAY. I RECOGNISE THE CYPRUS GOVERNMENT THAT CALCULATED ON THE 1ST OF NOVEMBER INCLUDING UNITED NATIONS NOT YOUR BULL SHIT FIGURES. Please note cyprus government being the GC government . Are you saying your government lied about the figures ?
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Re: No Guarantors ...!!!

Postby Mustiejodu » Wed Jun 17, 2015 11:36 pm

Stupidity is going at a level I am just amazed at and its actually very entertaining . Ok let's cut all the crap now . How many TCs are there right now in the north across the border seen as you guys as the occupied area and I am not talking about any of these immigrants from Turkey . How many GCS are there in the south meaning in the un occupied area and only GCS ? . Now how many TCs were from across that border which now is known as roc and also the un occupied area before 1974 ? This same question goes to the GCS . How many GCS were from the occupied area as you know it before 1974 . I just want one figure with no complicated distorted figures . All I want to know about is the number that's all . Some of you will try to make it complicated so let's say from 1963 to 1974.
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Re: No Guarantors ...!!!

Postby Lordo » Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:27 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:The real numbers are these:
from 1960-1974 (mainly during 1963-67): 25000 TC refugees
in 1974. About 200,000 GC refugees.
In 1974:ZERO TC refugees.
In 1975 under the 3rd Vienna agreement (after turkey;s threat that she would advance again to "liberate" the Tcs living around in the non occupied area) 50,000 TCs moved under UN escort from the free areas to the occupied.

Real comparison of situations:
25,000 TC Refugees from 1960 to 1974- remained homeless (21% of their population)
200,000 GC Refugees in 1974 -remained homeless (40% of their population)
None of the 50000 TC displaced in 1975 remained homeless, in fact they went to the occupied and got 2-3 times more stolen property than what they had left behind.

show me a single document from un that gives the figure of gc at 200,000. you know very well it was 160,000. why do you feel the need to exaggerate. when it comes to the tcs the figure 25,000 is what was left in cyprus after 1967. between 1963 ans 1967 a lot of tcs left cyprus with neither side keeping records deliberately because it suited them. i expect more fairness from you but actually you are worse because you are the wolf in sheep clothing.
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Re: No Guarantors ...!!!

Postby Get Real! » Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:17 am

Mustiejodu wrote:Oh my lord I can't believe that you are totally ignoring this figurative fact. Ok let's take your figures you have just given here . You say 185,000 GCS and 45,000 TCs . Ok I agree to this number as its a number and not a opinion. I won't even ask how this figure is supported . Basically I won't ask who done the count. Can you also then give me the figures for total population of GCS and total population of TCs . Once you do this then get a mathematician to calculate what the percentage of the TCs displaced of their total population . Then do the same with GCS then come back to me . In fact with your figures the percentage of TCs will now be bigger . Ok now I will put it into another way for you to understand what numbers represent. Let's say you have a husband and wife with 4 children which makes a total of 6 . Now they had a car accident and 3 of the children died but the parents including one child survived. This means 50% of their family have died. Now let's say you have a husband and wife and 2 kids and in this accident 1 child and 1 parent died totalling 2 out of 4 dies which means again 50% of that family vanished. Now which family has lost more in the total number that they had in their family in the first place . The size of the familes were different where one was smaller than the other but they equally lost 50% of their family. What part of this factual calculation can you not accept considering greeks created mathematics you seem to not crash this factual way of representing the percentage of losses. This actually gives you the real picture of the loss . You are distorting the representation of the figures by only giving the numbers displaced but not giving the total population of each ethnic group . Very dodgy Mr . Or shall I say propoganda

Populations in 74:

115,000 odd TCs

550,000 odd GCs


Of course, the 45k odd "displaced" TCs headed north where they found 4 abandoned houses more p/person and thus didn't have to live in a tent for 15 years like the people over here!
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Re: No Guarantors ...!!!

Postby Lordo » Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:20 pm

how the hell do you know what the tc population was in 1974. and not the 45,000 but 60,000 tcs did not head north, they were forced into concentration camps first those that you did not kill and then forced to go north. gr you talk a lot of crap most of the time.
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Re: No Guarantors ...!!!

Postby Get Real! » Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:47 pm

Lordo wrote:how the hell do you know what the tc population was in 1974. and not the 45,000 but 60,000 tcs did not head north, they were forced into concentration camps first those that you did not kill and then forced to go north. gr you talk a lot of crap most of the time.

Demographics can be easily obtained from a dozen sources. Here's one...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Cyprus
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