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No Guarantors ...!!!

Postby bill cobbett » Sun May 31, 2015 12:20 pm

Well, when one of the Unholy Trinity of Guarantor Powers stages a coup, one invades and occupies for 40+ years and one, at the very least, does nothing, an inaction that promotes the interests of its various allies.

... and that's not including the hidden actions, the false flag ops, the gun-running, from 1960 onwards that did so much to contribute to the destabilisation of the Republic and promote sectarianism and eventually a near-partition.

There cannot have been a more discredited international agreement than the ToG.

Mehmet Levent writes in Afrika, replying to Erdogan's insistence that Turkey will maintain its Guarantor/Intervention/Inavade and Occupy at any time of its choosing "rights" ...

"... They are the ones who plotted the 21 December 1963!

Who organized the coup against the Republic of Cyprus? The fascist junta of guarantor Greece!

Who showed as an excuse this coup, interfered militarily in Cyprus and occupied half of the island? Guarantor Turkey!

Who distributed the property of the Greek Cypriots, whom he sent away, to the population he brought and settle from Turkey? Guarantor Turkey!

Who boasts of changing all the international balances without withdrawing a single soldier, without giving a handful of land? Guarantor Turkey!

Who does not recognize and ignores the Republic of Cyprus, which is recognized by the entire world? Guarantor Turkey!

And finally who remained only a spectator to all these disgraces, to these illegal fait accompli, who said nothing against the island’s being divided in two, like a watermelon, by Turkey with the use of force of weapons and with costing the lives of thousands of people and [who said nothing] to the establishment of an illegal state dependent on Turkey and therefore who became an accomplice to the war and the crime against humanity that caused bloodshed on the island? Guarantor Britain! […] ..."



"... In case a just solution acceptable by both sides is reached, Cyprus will not need and should not need any guarantors after the guarantorship tragedy experienced for 40 years. ..."

More English translation at ... http://www.parikiaki.com/2015/05/turkis ... in-cyprus/
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Re: No Guarantors ...!!!

Postby Lordo » Sun May 31, 2015 1:57 pm

what a load of bollox this article is. blame somebody else you stupid charlui and friend. the military coup was an excuse was it.

interesting logic charlui but it is like carrying water with a galburi

you forgot the guaranteed who attacked the other first. you also forgot that when one of the guarantors attacked the same said guaranteed joined them to first attack its own population and then was going to arrange a tea party and hold a contest of chatista with the other,

logical conclusion each community decide for themselves. even if akinci agrees the tcs will not vote for it. do not say you have not been warned.

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Re: No Guarantors ...!!!

Postby Lordo » Sun May 31, 2015 2:52 pm

you are in luck though. this is what son of the sargent said about the guarantees. the question is will the tcs let it go. the answer not on your life.

http://www.kibrisgazetesi.com/?p=663098


there is a man who speaks sense, but would you swine take any notice no. too stupid is what you are.

http://cyprus-mail.com/2015/05/31/get-ready-its-that-hole-in-the-water-time-again/
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Re: No Guarantors ...!!!

Postby Nikitas » Sun May 31, 2015 5:24 pm

The absence of formal guarantee rights means nothing. It is obvious that the motherlands will assume that they have the obligation and right to protect their compatriots in case of abuses by anyone.

After BBF the formal guarantees become something other than those in the RoC treaty. Arguably each motherland guarantees only its own compatriots' rights. So if there is a coup in the TC region which does not threaten the GC region Greece presumably has no right to intervene. Any military contingents stationed will be strictly limited to their ethnic region and forbidden to travel freely around the island (I hope).

These are cute notions, because who will then check and verify that in fact there are only 650 Turks and 950 Greeks on the island? In other words who oversees the guarantors to ensure that they do not get up to their old tricks? If guarantor troops are stationed on the island then will we also have a Cyprus Army (remember that one? the official Army not the NG) to counterbalance the guarantor presence? It numbered 1200 troops, my uncle was a sergeant in the CA.

What other federal state in the world has guarantors? Anyone care to name one?

If the BBF deal goes to a referendum then should that not also cover the issue of guarantees? It is a little presumptuous for anyone to prejudge the issue. Maybe the TCs do not want to have any guarantor once they get their BBF deal as they want, perhaps they do, the only way to find out is to have in the plebiscite as a separate question for the citizens to decide.
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Re: No Guarantors ...!!!

Postby Lordo » Sun May 31, 2015 6:01 pm

absolutely the tcs will decide for themselves if they need the guarantee or not and whom. you will also have that choice.

but if you feel that the motherlands will protect their own, then why kick a fuss about it and put the whole deal into jeopardy.

as to any other federal state, well is there any other federal state that has been created after a unitary state by attacking itself and trying to enosise with another country. i suspect not, it is not every day a turkey votes for christmas is it.
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Re: No Guarantors ...!!!

Postby bill cobbett » Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:51 am

What was it your new Spokesperson, Akinci, said on his first day in "office", Cousin Costa, about the relationship between "trnc" and Turkey...???

The comment that upset Erdy.

... or have you forgotten...??? ... :roll:
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Re: No Guarantors ...!!!

Postby Lordo » Mon Jun 01, 2015 8:51 am

bill cobbett wrote:What was it your new Spokesperson, Akinci, said on his first day in "office", Cousin Costa, about the relationship between "trnc" and Turkey...???

The comment that upset Erdy.

... or have you forgotten...??? ... :roll:

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he never said we no longer need guarantees you stupid charlui. he said he wants to be a brother not a baby. brothers need as much a guarantee as the baby son. especially when you have a psychopathic neighbour who refuses to take their medication as you boys do and keep hearing voices in your head.

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Re: No Guarantors ...!!!

Postby Nikitas » Mon Jun 01, 2015 12:00 pm

Let's see what TCs say- here is a view by a TC journalist speaking to the Guardian yesterday:

"There is a sense that Turkey came and helped us in 1974, since then she wants us to keep paying for it. What we want to regain is our dignity" Esra Aigin.

I understand what she means, and guess that many if not most TCs wanted the same thing all along and resent being treated like an immature outpost of Turkey. The irony is that in this imbroglio the only player who sees things the same way is Greece. Not Turkey, not the GCs not even the British. Funny how things turn out sometimes!
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Re: No Guarantors ...!!!

Postby Lordo » Mon Jun 01, 2015 1:07 pm

Nikitas wrote:Let's see what TCs say- here is a view by a TC journalist speaking to the Guardian yesterday:

"There is a sense that Turkey came and helped us in 1974, since then she wants us to keep paying for it. What we want to regain is our dignity" Esra Aigin.

I understand what she means, and guess that many if not most TCs wanted the same thing all along and resent being treated like an immature outpost of Turkey. The irony is that in this imbroglio the only player who sees things the same way is Greece. Not Turkey, not the GCs not even the British. Funny how things turn out sometimes!

in your dreams. leave the odd rouge journalist and what they say and listen to the real tcs, guarantee stays. you do believe in democracy dont you. it is a bloody greek word ffs.
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Re: No Guarantors ...!!!

Postby Jerry » Mon Jun 01, 2015 1:36 pm

Lordo wrote:
Nikitas wrote:Let's see what TCs say- here is a view by a TC journalist speaking to the Guardian yesterday:

"There is a sense that Turkey came and helped us in 1974, since then she wants us to keep paying for it. What we want to regain is our dignity" Esra Aigin.

I understand what she means, and guess that many if not most TCs wanted the same thing all along and resent being treated like an immature outpost of Turkey. The irony is that in this imbroglio the only player who sees things the same way is Greece. Not Turkey, not the GCs not even the British. Funny how things turn out sometimes!

in your dreams. leave the odd rouge journalist and what they say and listen to the real tcs, guarantee stays. you do believe in democracy dont you. it is a bloody greek word ffs.


Democracy and sovereignty go hand in hand. Cyprus has never had true sovereignty because of the guarantees and therefore no real democracy.
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