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Re: fanatics on the move again

Postby Mustiejodu » Sat Jun 06, 2015 10:50 pm

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Lordo wrote:latest attack on the peace efforts by the rejectionists media is the claim that pila residents use a million euros worth electricity and water and do not pay for it. the word free loader is used a lot.

what kind of stupidities do you people live under and exactly how simple are you people to fall for that one.


Fuck the rejectionists. I used to be a rejectionist if that's the title used for those that don't want a solution but look how many people have voted for Mustafa Akinci which he would never have imagined to have been voted with 62% of the vote . This wave of change will come across to the gc s as they will see that sticking to this outdated and none productive ideology of separatist views is no longer acceptable and people no longer have faith in the same governments governing for the past 41 years . It's time for a revolution and Mustafa akinci has started it .

I’m what you’d call a “rejectionist” simply because I don’t want YOUR solution to the CyProb but mine!

I’d accept your community as Cypriot citizens living under the RoC in a 100% liberated (from Turkey) Cyprus, but I certainly would never agree to your people forming a political force of any kind and laying claims to territory and everything else.

That would not be a solution but a dissolution of Cyprus!

in other words you want a unitary state. dream on, dissolution is what you will end up with stupidity like that.



Look chaps. I think you need some fresh thinking. We all have to accept we are cypriots with diverse ethnic backgrounds. The main ethnic background is GC followed by TC who are a minority there is no argument there. Look at uk. You got the Welsh and the scots all living under one umbrella uk although they are proud of their native background they are centrally governed by parliament. Perhaps first past the post could work in cyprus because although you could have MPs that put themselves forward for boroughs your almost guaranteed where the majority of the population is TC would vote a TC mp to represent their constituency. If you look at what has happened in the uk. Scotland has nearly all its mp s as snp. We have to run the country in a democratic process and put behind some unrealistic demands. If we go this way there won't be no place for right wing politics. This is the only practical way it should go. Let the cypriots run the country. There won't be Eoka or Tmt type of uprisings. We will pass a law like the uk that having any shotguns etc are illegal and everyone with weapons will be confiscated. We will not give any extremist movement leaverage to grow. Human rights laws will solve any potential risk. We can learn from what happened pre 1974 and take counter measures to monitor and take action on any oppressive measures. Don't know how but I am sure where there is a will there is all ways a way.
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Re: fanatics on the move again

Postby Lordo » Sat Jun 06, 2015 11:39 pm

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Lordo wrote:latest attack on the peace efforts by the rejectionists media is the claim that pila residents use a million euros worth electricity and water and do not pay for it. the word free loader is used a lot.

what kind of stupidities do you people live under and exactly how simple are you people to fall for that one.


Fuck the rejectionists. I used to be a rejectionist if that's the title used for those that don't want a solution but look how many people have voted for Mustafa Akinci which he would never have imagined to have been voted with 62% of the vote . This wave of change will come across to the gc s as they will see that sticking to this outdated and none productive ideology of separatist views is no longer acceptable and people no longer have faith in the same governments governing for the past 41 years . It's time for a revolution and Mustafa akinci has started it .

I’m what you’d call a “rejectionist” simply because I don’t want YOUR solution to the CyProb but mine!

I’d accept your community as Cypriot citizens living under the RoC in a 100% liberated (from Turkey) Cyprus, but I certainly would never agree to your people forming a political force of any kind and laying claims to territory and everything else.

That would not be a solution but a dissolution of Cyprus!

in other words you want a unitary state. dream on, dissolution is what you will end up with stupidity like that.



Look chaps. I think you need some fresh thinking. We all have to accept we are cypriots with diverse ethnic backgrounds. The main ethnic background is GC followed by TC who are a minority there is no argument there. Look at uk. You got the Welsh and the scots all living under one umbrella uk although they are proud of their native background they are centrally governed by parliament. Perhaps first past the post could work in cyprus because although you could have MPs that put themselves forward for boroughs your almost guaranteed where the majority of the population is TC would vote a TC mp to represent their constituency. If you look at what has happened in the uk. Scotland has nearly all its mp s as snp. We have to run the country in a democratic process and put behind some unrealistic demands. If we go this way there won't be no place for right wing politics. This is the only practical way it should go. Let the cypriots run the country. There won't be Eoka or Tmt type of uprisings. We will pass a law like the uk that having any shotguns etc are illegal and everyone with weapons will be confiscated. We will not give any extremist movement leaverage to grow. Human rights laws will solve any potential risk. We can learn from what happened pre 1974 and take counter measures to monitor and take action on any oppressive measures. Don't know how but I am sure where there is a will there is all ways a way.

you think you can trust them to keep their word and respect your rights.

in 1960 we had a constitution where we had an independent judge to arbitrate if there was a disagreement. when the shooting started he could not run fast enough to get out of cyprus.
in the constitution cyprus was not allowed an army. they created one and brought arms secretly.
in the constitution they could not arm the police without the agreement of tc ministers. without a shot being fired they armed their police and attacked the tcs.

you think they can ever be trusted again. bbf is the answer. they will run things in the south and we will run things in the north. federal level 50/50 end of.
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Re: fanatics on the move again

Postby Mustiejodu » Sun Jun 07, 2015 8:15 am

We can learn from pre-1974 . The only way is to go in with open minds not with pre-conceived concerns . Look I am not saying we should just go into agreements and solutions with naivety. But look at how the world is dealing with these type of issues and try and fix it. You have to really try and not give up on solutions. If one solution does not work try another untill you get what can work for most. You can't make everyone happy. What country has full support from their people none. Because people have varied opinions and needs so you can't keep everyone happy. It could be the case that being born in the uk I have a slightly different opinion but I really don't see 50/50 as a democratic process. That does not represent equally. I am sorry to say it's numbers that count and democracy is majority rule. If I agree to you then it would be against my belief in democracy. The youngsters are everyone's future so all you guys from pre-1974 can bring your kids up to stop hating each other and think in a positive manner so that way the concerns that people have will just be concerns and not actually acted out. I am referring to Lordo s concerns which I am not saying that it's not a tangible concern.
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Re: fanatics on the move again

Postby Paphitis » Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:00 am

Mustiejodu wrote:We can learn from pre-1974 . The only way is to go in with open minds not with pre-conceived concerns . Look I am not saying we should just go into agreements and solutions with naivety. But look at how the world is dealing with these type of issues and try and fix it. You have to really try and not give up on solutions. If one solution does not work try another untill you get what can work for most. You can't make everyone happy. What country has full support from their people none. Because people have varied opinions and needs so you can't keep everyone happy. It could be the case that being born in the uk I have a slightly different opinion but I really don't see 50/50 as a democratic process. That does not represent equally. I am sorry to say it's numbers that count and democracy is majority rule. If I agree to you then it would be against my belief in democracy. The youngsters are everyone's future so all you guys from pre-1974 can bring your kids up to stop hating each other and think in a positive manner so that way the concerns that people have will just be concerns and not actually acted out. I am referring to Lordo s concerns which I am not saying that it's not a tangible concern.


Good on you Mustie.

You sound like a fine young man.

I presume you're a younger person and one day your generation will take over and turn Cyprus into a strong united country.
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Re: fanatics on the move again

Postby Lordo » Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:39 am

Mustiejodu wrote:We can learn from pre-1974 . The only way is to go in with open minds not with pre-conceived concerns . Look I am not saying we should just go into agreements and solutions with naivety. But look at how the world is dealing with these type of issues and try and fix it. You have to really try and not give up on solutions. If one solution does not work try another untill you get what can work for most. You can't make everyone happy. What country has full support from their people none. Because people have varied opinions and needs so you can't keep everyone happy. It could be the case that being born in the uk I have a slightly different opinion but I really don't see 50/50 as a democratic process. That does not represent equally. I am sorry to say it's numbers that count and democracy is majority rule. If I agree to you then it would be against my belief in democracy. The youngsters are everyone's future so all you guys from pre-1974 can bring your kids up to stop hating each other and think in a positive manner so that way the concerns that people have will just be concerns and not actually acted out. I am referring to Lordo s concerns which I am not saying that it's not a tangible concern.

there is no more time left. we have had this for 50 years. if bbf is rejected threre will be no more negotiations on how to unite. it will be how to divide. you do not really need any negotiations for that. things will remain as there and TRNC will be another vilaet of terggy. no good pretending otherwise unless you want trnc to become another vilaet of terggy.
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Re: fanatics on the move again

Postby Paphitis » Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:49 am

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Mustiejodu wrote:We can learn from pre-1974 . The only way is to go in with open minds not with pre-conceived concerns . Look I am not saying we should just go into agreements and solutions with naivety. But look at how the world is dealing with these type of issues and try and fix it. You have to really try and not give up on solutions. If one solution does not work try another untill you get what can work for most. You can't make everyone happy. What country has full support from their people none. Because people have varied opinions and needs so you can't keep everyone happy. It could be the case that being born in the uk I have a slightly different opinion but I really don't see 50/50 as a democratic process. That does not represent equally. I am sorry to say it's numbers that count and democracy is majority rule. If I agree to you then it would be against my belief in democracy. The youngsters are everyone's future so all you guys from pre-1974 can bring your kids up to stop hating each other and think in a positive manner so that way the concerns that people have will just be concerns and not actually acted out. I am referring to Lordo s concerns which I am not saying that it's not a tangible concern.

there is no more time left. we have had this for 50 years. if bbf is rejected threre will be no more negotiations on how to unite. it will be how to divide. you do not really need any negotiations for that. things will remain as there and TRNC will be another vilaet of terggy. no good pretending otherwise unless you want trnc to become another vilaet of terggy.


It appears that you want to because the terms you speak of are undemocratic, unfair and unacceptable.
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Re: fanatics on the move again

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:11 pm

Lordo wrote:you think you can trust them to keep their word and respect your rights.

in 1960 we had a constitution where we had an independent judge to arbitrate if there was a disagreement. when the shooting started he could not run fast enough to get out of cyprus.
in the constitution cyprus was not allowed an army. they created one and brought arms secretly.
in the constitution they could not arm the police without the agreement of tc ministers. without a shot being fired they armed their police and attacked the tcs.

you think they can ever be trusted again. bbf is the answer. they will run things in the south and we will run things in the north. federal level 50/50 end of.


It's amazing how people can only judge from past experiences.
The news is that today's "arms" have a different name. It's called economic power.and I don't mean the economic power of the GCs only. There are a lot of Tcs with economic power, and I suspect they will be additionally reinforced from mainland Turkish funds.
Big surprises waiting everybody in a solution.

There is no harm from such economic "wars", actually the whole country benefits. But the fact is the ones who will have more economic power will be the ones driving the politics.
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Re: fanatics on the move again

Postby Lordo » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:01 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:you think you can trust them to keep their word and respect your rights.

in 1960 we had a constitution where we had an independent judge to arbitrate if there was a disagreement. when the shooting started he could not run fast enough to get out of cyprus.
in the constitution cyprus was not allowed an army. they created one and brought arms secretly.
in the constitution they could not arm the police without the agreement of tc ministers. without a shot being fired they armed their police and attacked the tcs.

you think they can ever be trusted again. bbf is the answer. they will run things in the south and we will run things in the north. federal level 50/50 end of.


It's amazing how people can only judge from past experiences.
The news is that today's "arms" have a different name. It's called economic power.and I don't mean the economic power of the GCs only. There are a lot of Tcs with economic power, and I suspect they will be additionally reinforced from mainland Turkish funds.
Big surprises waiting everybody in a solution.

There is no harm from such economic "wars", actually the whole country benefits. But the fact is the ones who will have more economic power will be the ones driving the politics.

this is why bbf is essential. tc economy has been under embargo for decades. it will have to be helped to recover. it could take up to 50 years before it recovers.
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Re: fanatics on the move again

Postby Paphitis » Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:28 am

Lordo wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:you think you can trust them to keep their word and respect your rights.

in 1960 we had a constitution where we had an independent judge to arbitrate if there was a disagreement. when the shooting started he could not run fast enough to get out of cyprus.
in the constitution cyprus was not allowed an army. they created one and brought arms secretly.
in the constitution they could not arm the police without the agreement of tc ministers. without a shot being fired they armed their police and attacked the tcs.

you think they can ever be trusted again. bbf is the answer. they will run things in the south and we will run things in the north. federal level 50/50 end of.


It's amazing how people can only judge from past experiences.
The news is that today's "arms" have a different name. It's called economic power.and I don't mean the economic power of the GCs only. There are a lot of Tcs with economic power, and I suspect they will be additionally reinforced from mainland Turkish funds.
Big surprises waiting everybody in a solution.

There is no harm from such economic "wars", actually the whole country benefits. But the fact is the ones who will have more economic power will be the ones driving the politics.

this is why bbf is essential. tc economy has been under embargo for decades. it will have to be helped to recover. it could take up to 50 years before it recovers.


How much of the revenues will you want from the GC Taxpayer?

30% I presume.
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Re: fanatics on the move again

Postby Mustiejodu » Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:18 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Mustiejodu wrote:We can learn from pre-1974 . The only way is to go in with open minds not with pre-conceived concerns . Look I am not saying we should just go into agreements and solutions with naivety. But look at how the world is dealing with these type of issues and try and fix it. You have to really try and not give up on solutions. If one solution does not work try another untill you get what can work for most. You can't make everyone happy. What country has full support from their people none. Because people have varied opinions and needs so you can't keep everyone happy. It could be the case that being born in the uk I have a slightly different opinion but I really don't see 50/50 as a democratic process. That does not represent equally. I am sorry to say it's numbers that count and democracy is majority rule. If I agree to you then it would be against my belief in democracy. The youngsters are everyone's future so all you guys from pre-1974 can bring your kids up to stop hating each other and think in a positive manner so that way the concerns that people have will just be concerns and not actually acted out. I am referring to Lordo s concerns which I am not saying that it's not a tangible concern.


Good on you Mustie.

You sound like a fine young man.

I presume you're a younger person and one day your generation will take over and turn Cyprus into a strong united country.



Yes I am and we have been waiting for some one like mustafa akinci to come into government to spark it off and think about our future not our past. We just need the rest to support him and everything will change. Yes one day I TRUELY believe in my lifetime this will happen and I will play part in that process .
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