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Should the NATO question be discussed as part of a comprehensive solution?

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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Paphitis » Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:00 am

Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Maximus wrote:Cyprus has been screwed over by NATO countries.

Was Greece, the orchestrator of the Turkish invasion, one of those NATO countries ?


Greece was part of the play, the orchestrator's were the US and Britain.

Indeed, all of them involved are NATO countries.

"Your going to be my friend and we are going to have our military in your country, to (NOT) protect you or we are going to kill you." --- Its insane!


Once again you must ask yourself why!

Cyprus was the sacrificial lamb to Greece and Turkey. Why?

Was it because we were on the outer and a little to cosy with the Warsaw Pact countries?

Do you think it would still play out the same way if we were in NATO? Mmmm I wonder!


So Greece can be in NATO and have and maintain good relations with Russia.

Cyprus can not be in NATO or have good relations with Russia.

Greece and Turkey are in NATO and have poor relations with each other to the point where they are on occasions on the verge of war.

Yeah, it all makes sense. No need to wonder or ask why.


That's a loaded question. Quite difficult to answer.

But yes, Greece and Cyprus can be in NATO and have good relations with Russia. At the moment though that is not as possible because of the situation in Ukraine.

Before that, Russia was progessing down the path of joining NATO but this has been set back by Ukraine. They are however a member of the PfP. Which actually means that Russia is ahead of the game compared to Cyprus.

If there is a solution to the Ukraine Issue, then NATO relations with Russia will normalize over time.

But at the moment, relations are strained, embargoes are in place. So Greece is in a precarious position should it decide to contravene NATO and EU directives.

You do know that it was actually Cyprus who raised the motion in the UN to impose sanctions on Russia?
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby yialousa1971 » Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:54 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:NATO oxi... Enosis nai


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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby yialousa1971 » Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:58 pm

Cap wrote:
Oceanside50 wrote:NATO oxi... Enosis nai


I'll be the first to pack my bags and never look back.
There's no way on Gawd's green earth I'll ever live under an Athen's administration.


Africa awaits you. :mrgreen:
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Maximus » Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:44 pm

Paphitis wrote:
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Paphitis wrote:The idea is that NATO will be expanded and become global. The reason for this is because countries like AUS, and Japan are ranked as the biggest contributors to NATO Operations such as the NATO Combined Tasked Force against Piracy near Somalia.



No Chance,

The reason is something else. Like a new world order.


What's this about the NWO?

Who is going to stop this alliance.


That's a good question Paphitis. who is going to stop the new world order?

Paul Warburg: "We will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest** or consent." (February 17, 1950, as he testified before the US Senate). (**NATO?)


NWO

"A One World Government and one-unit monetary system, under permanent non-elected hereditary oligarchists who self-select from among their numbers in the form of a feudal system as it was in the Middle Ages. In this One World entity, population will be limited by restrictions on the number of children per family, diseases, wars, famines, until 1 billion people who are useful to the ruling class, in areas which will be strictly and clearly defined, remain as the total world population.

In 1992, Dr John Coleman published Conspirators Hierarchy: The Story of the Committee of 300. With laudable scholarship and meticulous research, Dr Coleman identifies the players and carefully details the New World Order agenda of worldwide domination and control. On page 161 of the Conspirators Hierarchy, Dr Coleman accurately summarizes the intent and purpose of the Committee of 300 as follows: There will be no middle class, only rulers and the servants. All laws will be uniform under a legal system of world courts practicing the same unified code of laws, backed up by a One World Government police force and a One World unified military to enforce laws in all former countries where no national boundaries shall exist. The system will be on the basis of a welfare state; those who are obedient and subservient to the One World Government will be rewarded with the means to live; those who are rebellious will simply be starved to death or be declared outlaws, thus a target for anyone who wishes to kill them. Privately owned firearms or weapons of any kind will be prohibited."
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Lordo » Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:29 pm

world government my left foot. since then the yanks have had their ass kicked in vietnam and iran and before you know it there will not a place to hang their hat in the middle east either.
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Paphitis » Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:08 pm

Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:The idea is that NATO will be expanded and become global. The reason for this is because countries like AUS, and Japan are ranked as the biggest contributors to NATO Operations such as the NATO Combined Tasked Force against Piracy near Somalia.



No Chance,

The reason is something else. Like a new world order.


What's this about the NWO?

Who is going to stop this alliance.


That's a good question Paphitis. who is going to stop the new world order?

Paul Warburg: "We will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest** or consent." (February 17, 1950, as he testified before the US Senate). (**NATO?)


NWO

"A One World Government and one-unit monetary system, under permanent non-elected hereditary oligarchists who self-select from among their numbers in the form of a feudal system as it was in the Middle Ages. In this One World entity, population will be limited by restrictions on the number of children per family, diseases, wars, famines, until 1 billion people who are useful to the ruling class, in areas which will be strictly and clearly defined, remain as the total world population.

In 1992, Dr John Coleman published Conspirators Hierarchy: The Story of the Committee of 300. With laudable scholarship and meticulous research, Dr Coleman identifies the players and carefully details the New World Order agenda of worldwide domination and control. On page 161 of the Conspirators Hierarchy, Dr Coleman accurately summarizes the intent and purpose of the Committee of 300 as follows: There will be no middle class, only rulers and the servants. All laws will be uniform under a legal system of world courts practicing the same unified code of laws, backed up by a One World Government police force and a One World unified military to enforce laws in all former countries where no national boundaries shall exist. The system will be on the basis of a welfare state; those who are obedient and subservient to the One World Government will be rewarded with the means to live; those who are rebellious will simply be starved to death or be declared outlaws, thus a target for anyone who wishes to kill them. Privately owned firearms or weapons of any kind will be prohibited."


Max, I am talking about NATO here which is a Military Alliance at best between European Countries and 2 North American Countries.

The alliance has additional allies in the Middle East, Asia, Asia Pacific regions.

We are not talking about the Freemasons or a NWO. There is no desire to actually unify these allies under 1 government.
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Mustiejodu » Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:33 pm

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tsukoui wrote:Paphitis, your poll question is very tricksy :evil: it is designed to elicit apparent support for your views even if the voters do not agree with them. Of course the NATO question should be discussed, but our position should be that we have nothing to do with global capital's murderous enforcers.


Well if you're wanting to discuss the NATO question then that would imply some openness to the possibility of full membership.

If you do not support my views, which are for full membership for many reasons, then I would suggest you vote no.

However, even though you're a Communist, you should be a little more sincere with yourself regardless and properly analyze and ask yourself what will benefit the RoC's security and stability rather than serve a shallow Communist agenda. That is an important issue for me and it should be for all Cyoriots and I am not convinced being on the outer will meet any of those needs.




Very wise and forward thinking . I agree with your views . This eliminates gurantors and supports a better system to aid in the cyprus unification . If only people would look at the bigger picture like you have .
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Cap » Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:33 pm

yialousa1971 wrote:
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Oceanside50 wrote:NATO oxi... Enosis nai


I'll be the first to pack my bags and never look back.
There's no way on Gawd's green earth I'll ever live under an Athen's administration.


Africa awaits you. :mrgreen:


Yup. that's whats coming to us.
I don't think your average Cypriot wants enosis, because they know they'll get Africa.
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Get Real! » Fri Jun 19, 2015 12:27 am

Mustiejodu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
tsukoui wrote:Paphitis, your poll question is very tricksy :evil: it is designed to elicit apparent support for your views even if the voters do not agree with them. Of course the NATO question should be discussed, but our position should be that we have nothing to do with global capital's murderous enforcers.


Well if you're wanting to discuss the NATO question then that would imply some openness to the possibility of full membership.

If you do not support my views, which are for full membership for many reasons, then I would suggest you vote no.

However, even though you're a Communist, you should be a little more sincere with yourself regardless and properly analyze and ask yourself what will benefit the RoC's security and stability rather than serve a shallow Communist agenda. That is an important issue for me and it should be for all Cyoriots and I am not convinced being on the outer will meet any of those needs.

Very wise and forward thinking . I agree with your views . This eliminates gurantors and supports a better system to aid in the cyprus unification . If only people would look at the bigger picture like you have .

Yeah, he’s so clever he wants to supply an additional excuse for Turkey’s presence on Cyprus! :roll: :lol:
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Paphitis » Fri Jun 19, 2015 6:08 am

Get Real! wrote:
Mustiejodu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
tsukoui wrote:Paphitis, your poll question is very tricksy :evil: it is designed to elicit apparent support for your views even if the voters do not agree with them. Of course the NATO question should be discussed, but our position should be that we have nothing to do with global capital's murderous enforcers.


Well if you're wanting to discuss the NATO question then that would imply some openness to the possibility of full membership.

If you do not support my views, which are for full membership for many reasons, then I would suggest you vote no.

However, even though you're a Communist, you should be a little more sincere with yourself regardless and properly analyze and ask yourself what will benefit the RoC's security and stability rather than serve a shallow Communist agenda. That is an important issue for me and it should be for all Cyoriots and I am not convinced being on the outer will meet any of those needs.

Very wise and forward thinking . I agree with your views . This eliminates gurantors and supports a better system to aid in the cyprus unification . If only people would look at the bigger picture like you have .

Yeah, he’s so clever he wants to supply an additional excuse for Turkey’s presence on Cyprus! :roll: :lol:


That's a negative.

There will be no Turkish or Greek Troops on Cyprus ever.

There might be the occasional joint exercises. So what's the problem?

You might have the odd British or American Troops stationed there who will work with the CDF.

We have 45000 American Troops in Australia. We have no issues with them except for the occasional pub brawl between them and ours which are usually instigated by the Australian Soldiers btw. Yes, they are better behaved than our soldiers most of the time.
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