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Should the NATO question be discussed as part of a comprehensive solution?

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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby kurupetos » Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:05 am

Lordo wrote:world government my left foot. since then the yanks have had their ass kicked in vietnam and iran and before you know it there will not a place to hang their hat in the middle east either.

Will they also lose Incirlik? :wink:
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Lordo » Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:08 pm

kurupetos wrote:
Lordo wrote:world government my left foot. since then the yanks have had their ass kicked in vietnam and iran and before you know it there will not a place to hang their hat in the middle east either.

Will they also lose Incirlik? :wink:

the amricans pay about 15 billion for incirlik. no tergg is prepared to lose that. the army will make sure of that.

i got an incirlik in the back garden and it is loaded this year. this limasol air is good for that.
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby tsukoui » Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:48 am

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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Oceanside50 » Sat Jun 20, 2015 10:32 am

Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
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Maximus wrote:Cyprus has been screwed over by NATO countries.

Was Greece, the orchestrator of the Turkish invasion, one of those NATO countries ?


Greece was part of the play, the orchestrator's were the US and Britain.

Indeed, all of them involved are NATO countries.

"Your going to be my friend and we are going to have our military in your country, to (NOT) protect you or we are going to kill you." --- Its insane!


Once again you must ask yourself why!

Cyprus was the sacrificial lamb to Greece and Turkey. Why?

Was it because we were on the outer and a little to cosy with the Warsaw Pact countries?

Do you think it would still play out the same way if we were in NATO? Mmmm I wonder!


So Greece can be in NATO and have and maintain good relations with Russia.

Cyprus can not be in NATO or have good relations with Russia.

Greece and Turkey are in NATO and have poor relations with each other to the point where they are on occasions on the verge of war.

Yeah, it all makes sense. No need to wonder or ask why.


Cyprus a young country with an inexperienced leader tried to make Cyprus a neutral nonaligned nation, the Switzerland of the eastern Med. It couldn't happen and never will. Cyprus only stands to gain by being part of NATO. It would probably solve all of its internal problems and if it had joined in the 1960's the Turk invasion would not have happened nor would the coup..
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Lordo » Sat Jun 20, 2015 3:25 pm

ocean man you is wrong. he tried to play russia against america thinking he would get an advantage and burnt himself. by joining the opressors of course cyprus will gain but the question is do cypriots wish to reward america after what they did to cyprus in the 60s and 70s.
makarios had a plan agreed in 1973, if he accpeted that there would have been no coup and no invasion. he did not agree. the fault is makarios and makarios only for not accepting the agreement. he said i did not sign an agreement in 1960 to exclude enosis to sign another one excluding enosis again. the trouble with people like you is you cannot see the truth if it was a train hurtling towards you at 100 miles an hour.
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Oceanside50 » Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:44 pm

Lordo wrote:ocean man you is wrong. he tried to play russia against america thinking he would get an advantage and burnt himself. by joining the opressors of course cyprus will gain but the question is do cypriots wish to reward america after what they did to cyprus in the 60s and 70s.
makarios had a plan agreed in 1973, if he accpeted that there would have been no coup and no invasion. he did not agree. the fault is makarios and makarios only for not accepting the agreement. he said i did not sign an agreement in 1960 to exclude enosis to sign another one excluding enosis again. the trouble with people like you is you cannot see the truth if it was a train hurtling towards you at 100 miles an hour.


there wouldn't be any need for an agreement in 73, re pelo firfiri, who would give a rats ass for the tc if cyprus was in nato? and yes makarios should have stayed a priest instead of playing byzantine politics with the ameriklanous
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:14 pm

...from his own experience, the man Makarios recognised that Enosis, to Greece was folly. He was a citizen of the world, a great Statesman, if there was no Makarios who would have kept Cyprus whole?

It may be said that he played the powers, i say thank-goodness, with the non-aligned movement, the world took one step away from a Cold War with its nuclear proliferation; it was not a matter of picking "sides".
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Oceanside50 » Sat Jun 20, 2015 8:06 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...from his own experience, the man Makarios recognised that Enosis, to Greece was folly. He was a citizen of the world, a great Statesman, if there was no Makarios who would have kept Cyprus whole?

It may be said that he played the powers, i say thank-goodness, with the non-aligned movement, the world took one step away from a Cold War with its nuclear proliferation; it was not a matter of picking "sides".


what do you mean rw " thank-goodness, with the non-aligned movement, the world took one step away from a Cold War with its nuclear proliferation"...the west had cyprus where they wanted it, with or without makarios.
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:09 pm

...but the non-aligned movement did give the rest of the world a pause, and some time to think. In any case, the west did not have Cyprus where they wanted it, it was not divided, it would have been.
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Paphitis » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:11 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...from his own experience, the man Makarios recognised that Enosis, to Greece was folly. He was a citizen of the world, a great Statesman, if there was no Makarios who would have kept Cyprus whole?

It may be said that he played the powers, i say thank-goodness, with the non-aligned movement, the world took one step away from a Cold War with its nuclear proliferation; it was not a matter of picking "sides".


Let's not overstate his Statesmanship.

A Statesman is a leader who united a country. Makarios inadvertently polarized division which led to a Coup and an invasion.

Being a good ethical person does not qualify one as a Statesman.

He played a dangerous game with the Warsaw Pact and NATO and came out second best. There was no way NATO was going to let this priest bring the Soviets into their Southern Flank.
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