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Should the NATO question be discussed as part of a comprehensive solution?

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NATO is evolving

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:14 am

NATO is changing. It is expanding.

You all understand a little about NATO's Article 5. NATO members are obligated to come to the aid of another member who is under attack. It also applies reasonable assurances that no NATO country is to declare war against another NATO country. This has probably saved Greece and Turkey from war on a number of occasions.

There are 28 full members of NATO, comprising the North American and European areas. Followed closely by the 5 country Treaty known as AUSCANNZUKUS Treaty - comprising AUS, CAN, USA, UK and NZ. The 2 countries which are not NATO members participate as "Associate" partners (AUS, NZ). These countries have their own Article 5 but the idea is that they all be included in the NATO umbrella. It obviously means that they will have to send troops to Europe if one of their allies are attacked and likewise, countries in NATO may be obliged to send troops as far away as NZ if NZ is attacked (unlikely scenario).

Then there is the Pacific Rim partners which include Japan, and South Korea. Along with that, some Arab Countries are on NATO's cusp - Jordan, UAE, QATAR, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait etc.

The idea is that NATO will be expanded and become global. The reason for this is because countries like AUS, and Japan are ranked as the biggest contributors to NATO Operations such as the NATO Combined Tasked Force against Piracy near Somalia.

Is this something we can afford to be out of?

We know about Turkey's vetoes, but this issue in my opinion needs to be raised in the negotiations, where Turkey's veto is removed in exchange for Cyprus supporting Turkey to join the EU.

NATO can offer all the security Cyprus needs. The mere fact that countries like NZ are forging extremely close relations is saying something which can't be ignored.
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Get Real! » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:21 am

What is it with you and your fixation with this evil murderous cult they call NATO? :?

We’re definitely not interested in becoming an official launch pad for their global crimes! :roll:

Now cut it out, grow up and quit worshipping all things satanic! :roll:
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Robin Hood » Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:02 am

Paphitis:
The idea is that NATO will be expanded and become global.


If it is Global then it no longer has a function!

But you are correct in a way. NATO is dominated and receives its operational mandate from the US. It is all about US Hegemony, one world, one government and US commercial/banking dominance ............. achieved by regime change enforced by NATO (for that read USA and Israel) :roll:
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:34 am

Get Real! wrote:What is it with you and your fixation with this evil murderous cult they call NATO? :?

We’re definitely not interested in becoming an official launch pad for their global crimes! :roll:

Now cut it out, grow up and quit worshipping all things satanic! :roll:


You are very ill informed and quite ignorant.

I suppose sometimes you exhibit beaten housewife syndrome. You just want to go back for more!
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:36 am

Robin Hood wrote:Paphitis:
The idea is that NATO will be expanded and become global.


If it is Global then it no longer has a function!

But you are correct in a way. NATO is dominated and receives its operational mandate from the US. It is all about US Hegemony, one world, one government and US commercial/banking dominance ............. achieved by regime change enforced by NATO (for that read USA and Israel) :roll:


Not exactly. It's more relevant than ever before. Only the threats and threat levels change. For instance, their role can also be largely humanitarian and people seem to forget this and only concentrate on the negatives. Illegal Immigration, terrorism, Piracy on the High Seas, Illegal Immigration or Human Trafficking (I can add a dozen more).

Each country has its vote and a veto vote at that. So there is equal representation.

However, in a conflict, the USA will be by far the biggest singular contributor. But the forces of all the other countries combined exceed America's by a huge amount.

At the end of the day, all these countries are allies. America is probably unlikely to be attacked by another country so the biggest beneficiaries are the smaller countries I would argue.
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby tsukoui » Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:55 am

Paphitis, your poll question is very tricksy :evil: it is designed to elicit apparent support for your views even if the voters do not agree with them. Of course the NATO question should be discussed, but our position should be that we have nothing to do with global capital's murderous enforcers.
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:06 pm

tsukoui wrote:Paphitis, your poll question is very tricksy :evil: it is designed to elicit apparent support for your views even if the voters do not agree with them. Of course the NATO question should be discussed, but our position should be that we have nothing to do with global capital's murderous enforcers.


Well if you're wanting to discuss the NATO question then that would imply some openness to the possibility of full membership.

If you do not support my views, which are for full membership for many reasons, then I would suggest you vote no.

However, even though you're a Communist, you should be a little more sincere with yourself regardless and properly analyze and ask yourself what will benefit the RoC's security and stability rather than serve a shallow Communist agenda. That is an important issue for me and it should be for all Cyoriots and I am not convinced being on the outer will meet any of those needs.
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Oceanside50 » Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:57 pm

NATO oxi... Enosis nai
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Maximus » Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:58 pm

new world order alert thread.

Here is an article you might find interesting Paphitis.

A poll was taken and it basically says that the majority of western NATO ally country's would not intervene militarily to defend an eastern NATO ally if they got in to a military conflict with Russia.

If this research from PEW is true, NATO is a pretty defunct and discredited organization isn't it?

http://www.businessinsider.com/less-tha ... ign=buffer
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Re: NATO is evolving

Postby Cap » Wed Jun 10, 2015 9:22 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:NATO oxi... Enosis nai


I'll be the first to pack my bags and never look back.
There's no way on Gawd's green earth I'll ever live under an Athen's administration.
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