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Re: Greeks are spectacular liars

Postby Lordo » Sat Jun 20, 2015 1:54 pm

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Lordo wrote:thats excellent. now we are getting somewhere.
you can take out the 63 and 74 events by all means. certainly it has had an effect and that would be fine. i have no issue with that.

so you take a house with a swimming pool in girne which costs 150k and adjusted it all you like. you can still buy at least 3 houses in girne with a house in limasol, baf or larnaca and 20 houses with it in karpaz. lefkosa balances out and magusa the gc part and guzelyurt you can have back.

you see the real damage on prices was not done between 1963 and 1974 it was done after. get it. even if you reduce the difference to twice as much. we are still talking about 27% for the north plus the remaining tc properties in the south.


you left this bit out.

Market value - the amount for which a property could be sold on the
open market, based on an assessment of purchase prices or amounts
paid for comparable properties in comparable locations at the time of
assessment.35

so the price begins from the open market price. adjust its appreciation to your hearts content as to what happened between 1963 and 1974.

lovely juvely.
rodders this time next year we ll be millionaires.


It seems to me you don't even understand what you are reading...
A stolen house in Kyrenia with a swimming pool when adjusted in value will only be comparable to a house in Larnaca with a swimming pool. If you left such a house behind then fine. However if you left behind some sheepcotes, or a wretched hole, you will be needing ... erm... about 30 of those to balance :mrgreen:

you need somebody to explain the english language to you. it aint greek.

you start with the current price and adjust it takeing into account what happened between 1063 and 1874 and local prices. local the are not other parts of cypres reh laomovosgo.

adjust to your hearts content.
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Re: Greeks are spectacular liars

Postby Lordo » Sat Jun 20, 2015 2:05 pm

here is more of what you left out.

4. Current value31 – value of a property at time of dispossession, plus an
adjustment to reflect appreciation based among other things on increase
in average sale prices of properties in Cyprus in comparable locations32
in the intervening period up to the date of entry into force of the
Foundation Agreement. The current value of property shall be assessed
as at the date of entry into force of the Foundation Agreement. This
value shall bear interest, at the same rate as interest on medium-term
government bonds, from the date of entry into force of the Foundation
Agreement until compensation bonds and property appreciation
certificates are issued.
5. Dispossessed owner - a natural or legal person who, at the time of
dispossession, held a legal interest in the affected property as owner or
part owner, his/her legal heir, personal representative or successor in
title, including by gift.
6. Institutions – entities other than natural persons, including privately or
publicly-owned or controlled bodies, such as public or private trusts,
religious institutions; military forces and companies (other than sole
corporations).33
7. Market rent – the amount of rent which could be charged for a property
on the open market, based on an assessment of market rents paid for
comparable properties in comparable locations at the time of
assessment.34
8. Market value - the amount for which a property could be sold on the
open market, based on an assessment of purchase prices or amounts
paid for comparable properties in comparable locations at the time of
assessment.
9. Original state - the state or condition of affected property at the time of
dispossession of the dispossessed owner, not including improvements
subsequently made by any party, assessed at current value.
10. Property - immovable property, being land and fixtures attached to land
(or an ownership interest or undivided share in such a property).
11. Property eligible for reinstatement – Any affected property for which title
has not been given to:
a. a current user in exchange for his/her affected property in the other
constituent state (in accordance with Article 12 of the main
provisions);
b. a subsequent purchaser from such (in accordance with Article 13 of
the main provisions); or
c. the owner of a significant improvement in exchange for payment of
the current value of the property without the improvement (in
accordance with Article 14);
and which is not owned by institutions nor used for military or public
benefit purposes (Articles 9, 10 and 11 of the main provisions
respectively).
12. Reinstatement – restitution through the award of legal and physical
possession to the dispossessed owner, so as to enable him/her to
exercise effective control over such property, including use for his/her
own purposes.
13. Reinstatement entitlement – The reinstatement entitlement is one third of
the land area and one third of the current value of the land (whichever
first applies) of the aggregated affected property of a dispossessed
owner, who is not an institution.
14. Religious site – a mosque, church, chapel, cemetery, monastery, shrine,
tomb or other place of worship. In exceptional cases, where living
quarters, contiguous gardens or other land and buildings owned by the
Church or Evkaf form an inseparable unit with the religious site, such
property up to a maximum of 2 donum36 shall be considered part of the
religious site.
15. Significant improvement – an improvement (including any new
construction on vacant land) to an affected property, which was made
between the time of dispossession and 31 December 2002,37 or based
on a building certificate (proof of engineering approval for construction)
issued prior to 31 December 2002, or any later improvement which has
been deemed admissible for this purpose pursuant to regulations of the
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Re: Greeks are spectacular liars

Postby Lordo » Sat Jun 20, 2015 2:07 pm

girne had about 5000 gc residents. so about 5000 are gc properties. the rest is just land that has been improved by building on them. take into account that too. now you will not forget will you. girne now has 35,000 residents with built houses and all you will get is the value of the land not the house for the rest.

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Re: Greeks are spectacular liars

Postby Lordo » Sat Jun 20, 2015 2:38 pm

this bit is my favourate.

Article 21 Compensation for loss of use
Any claims for compensation for loss of use of an affected property for any period commencing with dispossession shall be considered by the constituent
state from which the claimant hails, taking into account:
a. Benefits previously enjoyed by the dispossessed owner on the grounds of his/her displacement; and
b. Any entitlements received by or payable to the dispossessed owner,whether before or after the Foundation Agreement, for the period of lost use.

can you imagine loss of use for 40 years. and rent.
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Re: Greeks are spectacular liars

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:20 pm

Lordo wrote:this bit is my favourate.

Article 21 Compensation for loss of use
Any claims for compensation for loss of use of an affected property for any period commencing with dispossession shall be considered by the constituent
state from which the claimant hails, taking into account:
a. Benefits previously enjoyed by the dispossessed owner on the grounds of his/her displacement; and
b. Any entitlements received by or payable to the dispossessed owner,whether before or after the Foundation Agreement, for the period of lost use.

can you imagine loss of use for 40 years. and rent.


Yes really funny, get prepared to pay loss of use and rent to 200,000 GCs and we will do the same for the few of you..Let's see after how many million of years you will break even.

Why did you leave behind notes 31 and 32??

31 Observation: Expert advice shall be sought from quantity surveyors, economists and/or specialists in property valuation on the final formulation of provisions relating to assessment of value.
32 Observation: The value at the time of dispossession and the calculation of the increase should be based on the hypothesis that events between 1963 and 1974 had not taken place, i.e. they should not take into account alteration in values due to those events; it should if possible therefore be based on comparable locations where property prices were not positively or negatively affected by those events.

Do you understand what hypothesis that the events of 1974 had not taken place means?
It means comparable value TODAY of a property in Kyrenia is that of a similar property TODAY in Larnaca.Because these should approximately be the values if there was no 1974.
Your Turkish Bazzar tricks constantly tries to bypass this clause and convince us that one TC house in Larnaca equals 3-20 GC houses in Kyrenia. Dream on...
Do you think the experts who would be called under paragraph 31 would be called for such stupid Turkish Bazaar tricks? :mrgreen:
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Re: Greeks are spectacular liars

Postby Lordo » Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:22 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:this bit is my favourate.

Article 21 Compensation for loss of use
Any claims for compensation for loss of use of an affected property for any period commencing with dispossession shall be considered by the constituent
state from which the claimant hails, taking into account:
a. Benefits previously enjoyed by the dispossessed owner on the grounds of his/her displacement; and
b. Any entitlements received by or payable to the dispossessed owner,whether before or after the Foundation Agreement, for the period of lost use.

can you imagine loss of use for 40 years. and rent.


Yes really funny, get prepared to pay loss of use and rent to 200,000 GCs and we will do the same for the few of you..Let's see after how many million of years you will break even.

Why did you leave behind notes 31 and 32??

31 Observation: Expert advice shall be sought from quantity surveyors, economists and/or specialists in property valuation on the final formulation of provisions relating to assessment of value.
32 Observation: The value at the time of dispossession and the calculation of the increase should be based on the hypothesis that events between 1963 and 1974 had not taken place, i.e. they should not take into account alteration in values due to those events; it should if possible therefore be based on comparable locations where property prices were not positively or negatively affected by those events.

Do you understand what hypothesis that the events of 1974 had not taken place means?
It means comparable value TODAY of a property in Kyrenia is that of a similar property TODAY in Larnaca.Because these should approximately be the values if there was no 1974.
Your Turkish Bazzar tricks constantly tries to bypass this clause and convince us that one TC house in Larnaca equals 3-20 GC houses in Kyrenia. Dream on...
Do you think the experts who would be called under paragraph 31 would be called for such stupid Turkish Bazaar tricks? :mrgreen:

i never said tc or gc it applies to all cypriots. but of course those who accepted gc land or property or tc land or property do not get loss of use as they have been using a property.
i accepted to leave the depreciation or appreciation between the years of 63 ans 74, what more do you want. the real damage to you was done after 1974 not before.
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Re: Greeks are spectacular liars

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:54 pm

Lordo wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:this bit is my favourate.

Article 21 Compensation for loss of use
Any claims for compensation for loss of use of an affected property for any period commencing with dispossession shall be considered by the constituent
state from which the claimant hails, taking into account:
a. Benefits previously enjoyed by the dispossessed owner on the grounds of his/her displacement; and
b. Any entitlements received by or payable to the dispossessed owner,whether before or after the Foundation Agreement, for the period of lost use.

can you imagine loss of use for 40 years. and rent.


Yes really funny, get prepared to pay loss of use and rent to 200,000 GCs and we will do the same for the few of you..Let's see after how many million of years you will break even.

Why did you leave behind notes 31 and 32??

31 Observation: Expert advice shall be sought from quantity surveyors, economists and/or specialists in property valuation on the final formulation of provisions relating to assessment of value.
32 Observation: The value at the time of dispossession and the calculation of the increase should be based on the hypothesis that events between 1963 and 1974 had not taken place, i.e. they should not take into account alteration in values due to those events; it should if possible therefore be based on comparable locations where property prices were not positively or negatively affected by those events.

Do you understand what hypothesis that the events of 1974 had not taken place means?
It means comparable value TODAY of a property in Kyrenia is that of a similar property TODAY in Larnaca.Because these should approximately be the values if there was no 1974.
Your Turkish Bazzar tricks constantly tries to bypass this clause and convince us that one TC house in Larnaca equals 3-20 GC houses in Kyrenia. Dream on...
Do you think the experts who would be called under paragraph 31 would be called for such stupid Turkish Bazaar tricks? :mrgreen:

i never said tc or gc it applies to all cypriots. but of course those who accepted gc land or property or tc land or property do not get loss of use as they have been using a property.
i accepted to leave the depreciation or appreciation between the years of 63 ans 74, what more do you want. the real damage to you was done after 1974 not before.


It is not the depreciation between those years xerojefale it is the EVENTS of those years that caused depreciation upto date.
LoL you don't understand the simplest things...
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Re: Greeks are spectacular liars

Postby Lordo » Sat Jun 20, 2015 10:08 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:this bit is my favourate.

Article 21 Compensation for loss of use
Any claims for compensation for loss of use of an affected property for any period commencing with dispossession shall be considered by the constituent
state from which the claimant hails, taking into account:
a. Benefits previously enjoyed by the dispossessed owner on the grounds of his/her displacement; and
b. Any entitlements received by or payable to the dispossessed owner,whether before or after the Foundation Agreement, for the period of lost use.

can you imagine loss of use for 40 years. and rent.


Yes really funny, get prepared to pay loss of use and rent to 200,000 GCs and we will do the same for the few of you..Let's see after how many million of years you will break even.

Why did you leave behind notes 31 and 32??

31 Observation: Expert advice shall be sought from quantity surveyors, economists and/or specialists in property valuation on the final formulation of provisions relating to assessment of value.
32 Observation: The value at the time of dispossession and the calculation of the increase should be based on the hypothesis that events between 1963 and 1974 had not taken place, i.e. they should not take into account alteration in values due to those events; it should if possible therefore be based on comparable locations where property prices were not positively or negatively affected by those events.

Do you understand what hypothesis that the events of 1974 had not taken place means?
It means comparable value TODAY of a property in Kyrenia is that of a similar property TODAY in Larnaca.Because these should approximately be the values if there was no 1974.
Your Turkish Bazzar tricks constantly tries to bypass this clause and convince us that one TC house in Larnaca equals 3-20 GC houses in Kyrenia. Dream on...
Do you think the experts who would be called under paragraph 31 would be called for such stupid Turkish Bazaar tricks? :mrgreen:

i never said tc or gc it applies to all cypriots. but of course those who accepted gc land or property or tc land or property do not get loss of use as they have been using a property.
i accepted to leave the depreciation or appreciation between the years of 63 ans 74, what more do you want. the real damage to you was done after 1974 not before.


It is not the depreciation between those years xerojefale it is the EVENTS of those years that caused depreciation up to date.
LoL you don't understand the simplest things...

of course there was depreciation between 63 and 74 in the tc properties. the trouble is at the time you was not even a sperm in your fathers balls. and i told you they can work out what ever they like. since 1974 it is not those events that have caused tcs properties not to appreciate so much but the embargoes which gcs applied. they can hardly allow gc credit for the embargoes they imposed. you are one hell of an ass who thinks they know it all but actually understand jack shit.
you said i knew nothing about pipes and that they would have pumps on the terggish side pumping water to the trnc once the pipe is finished. and hear now that there are pumps at the other end. the pumps are at this end to pump the water over monodahdilo mountain if they can get it out of your ass gootagodjehalo.
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Re: Greeks are spectacular liars

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Jun 21, 2015 12:43 am

I admit I failed in making this xerojefalo understand the simplest thing.
Just like I failed convincing him the water won't flow by gravity.
Here it is if anyone can translate it to him in Turkish there is a slight possibility he will understand it..

The value at the time of dispossession and the calculation of the increase should be based on the hypothesis that events between 1963 and 1974 had not taken place, i.e. they should not take into account alteration in values due to those events; it should if possible therefore be based on comparable locations where property prices were not positively or negatively affected by those events.
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Re: Greeks are spectacular liars

Postby Lordo » Sun Jun 21, 2015 1:39 am

i agree with you. they should be adjusted for that period as ii those preoblems did not happen. what happened after 74 is ignored and hence no adjustment necessary. you can adjust the prices between 63 to 74 to your hearts content. do you not understand what i am saying. alobos brebi na su dabo elliniga reh laomenegalamras tu lesbos. gavole.
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