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Greeks are spectacular liars

Postby MR-from-NG » Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:47 pm

By George Koumoullis

THE FORGERIES of Cyprus’ history are increasing cumulatively, like the galaxies. One forgery gives rise to another worse one and these in their turn to even worse ones. The historian who studies the history of Cyprus over the last decades must record a chain of colossal forgeries.

I have neither the space nor the conceit to undertake such a Herculean task, so I will focus on the uproar created by the recent comment made at the University of Cyprus by the US ambassador John Koenig who said the Cyprus issue, in the main, was not an issue of invasion and occupation.

This view that the Cyprus issue has deeper roots, and that the invasion and occupation were just part of problem, is shared by several respected Greek Cypriot writers and journalists, living and dead. If they were given a chance to speak, they would explain that the Cyprus problem came into being in the 1960s and that its root cause was not the Turkish invasion but the undermining of the independent state by us, who remained fixated on Enosis.

They would claim that our politicians are incapable – either calculatingly or through shallowness – of separating causes from symptoms. The Greek invasion of July 1974 (which we hypocritically and misleadingly refer to as a coup – another forgery of history) and the Turkish invasion in the same month, despite being consequences and not causes of the Cyprus issue, undeniably have added another tragic text to the narrative of our problem.

True love for a country does not involve trying to distort the history of Cyprus ‘in our favour’. Unfortunately, the version propagated by the political parties, which maintains that the Cyprus problem exists exclusively because of the Turkish invasion and occupation, is nothing more than another distortion of history.

The Cyprus problem would not have existed if we had honoured our signature of the London-Zurich agreements which, rightly or wrongly, we had accepted. If we want to look at the gist of the matter, we bear the biggest responsibility for our national problem. Before the ink of our signature on the London-Zurich agreement had dried, the parades for Enosis began.

On 15 January 1961, the anniversary of the Enosis referendum, a mass rally for Enosis was held in Nicosia and almost the entire political leadership attended. In July 1967, our deputies unanimously approved a resolution supporting union with the ‘mother country’, thus breaking their oath to respect the Constitution, which clearly excluded union with any other country. For this outrageous act, a book should be written entitled, ‘The perjurers of the 20th century’, even though a cynic might suggest that ‘The lunatics of the 20th century’ would be more appropriate.

After November 1967, Makarios understood – at long last – that Enosis was not feasible and in the following year the Clerides-Denktash negotiations began with the aim of reaching a new agreement based on independence. Unfortunately, even Makarios proved untrustworthy and erratic, periodically expressing support for Enosis (e.g. his speech at a memorial service in Yialousa in 1968) despite having declared it unfeasible.

And what could anyone say about the Akritas plan? Instead of the leader of the newly created state being a messenger of freedom, generosity, democracy and harmonious relations with our Turkish Cypriot compatriots, he turned himself into a shady schemer plotting the dissolution of the Cyprus Republic.

Despite the adverse conditions, in 1973 Clerides revealed that the Turkish Cypriots had agreed to a model of strengthened local self-government. We were, back then, very close to a solution and relatively grounded compared to 1960. Unfortunately there was another collapse because Makarios objected to the article in the agreement that ruled out union of Cyprus with another country. He refused to give up the objective of Enosis and thus an opportunity that would have averted the events of July 1974 was lost.

We do not have the guts to carry out some self-criticism and admit that we committed a crime against ourselves and future generations. On the contrary, the official line of the political parties is that in the 1960s we were immaculate and untarnished compared to the Turkish Cypriots who were ‘untrustworthy’ and ‘insurgents’.

The painful reality is that in the 1960s we behaved irresponsibly, recklessly and opportunistically. Alas the bill we were called to pay for this dangerous living between 1960 and 1974 was excessively high. We gave the opportunity to the Turks to invade, seize, dishonour, pillage and vandalise, while one in three Greek Cypriots became refugees in their own country.

And to cover up the root cause of the Cyprus issue, the parties point to imaginary hallucinations and obsession in the statements of Koenig, Downer, Eide, De Soto and I don’t know who else among the diplomats and UN mediators that have dealt with Cyprus.

George Koumoullis is an economist and social scientist
http://cyprus-mail.com/2015/06/14/the-p ... -history/#
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Re: Greeks are spectacular liars

Postby Lordo » Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:53 pm

just read this too.
so in july 1967 gc parliement voted for anosis.
makarios refused the agreement in 73 because it excluded enosis. people here tell me makarios did not support enosis after 1967.

what more do you boys need. you have been cheated big time, but just like terggys you keep voting for xmass will you ever learn
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Re: Greeks are spectacular liars

Postby Lordo » Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:54 pm

where have all the usual suspects gone to accuse this man of being a traitor. or dare i say have they seen the light finally.
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Re: Greeks are spectacular liars

Postby Get Real! » Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:23 pm

MR-from-NG wrote:The painful reality is that in the 1960s we behaved irresponsibly, recklessly and opportunistically.

So what? The Ottomans or Turks if you prefer their contemporary name, behaved irresponsibly, recklessly, opportunistically, barbarously, and cowardly from 1571 and right up to today so put that in your pipes and smoke it!

The bottom line is that the TC community is the result of a very dark past that can neither be forgotten or forgiven. Everything else is hogwash.

What steps has the TC community taken to make amends towards the native Cypriots I ask?

And speaking of lies you may find this interesting… :)
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/lie-de ... sCatID=374
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Re: Greeks are spectacular liars

Postby MR-from-NG » Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:40 pm

Get Real! wrote:
MR-from-NG wrote:The painful reality is that in the 1960s we behaved irresponsibly, recklessly and opportunistically.

So what? The Ottomans or Turks if you prefer their contemporary name, behaved irresponsibly, recklessly, opportunistically, barbarously, and cowardly from 1571 and right up to today so put that in your pipes and smoke it!

The bottom line is that the TC community is the result of a very dark past that can neither be forgotten or forgiven. Everything else is hogwash.

What steps has the TC community taken to make amends towards the native Cypriots I ask?

And speaking of lies you may find this interesting… :)
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/lie-de ... sCatID=374

Same old same old. That bloody 1571 again. Getting boring and monotonous. You are losing your touch M, you were one of the best debaters on the forum. You can't change history so move on please.
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Re: Greeks are spectacular liars

Postby Get Real! » Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:55 pm

MR-from-NG wrote:You can't change history so move on please.

You should take your own advice because if you think that you're doing your community any favors with threads like this you've got another thing coming...

So you find a daft article (one man’s opinion) that thinks it can cover many decades of conflict in a screen full of text with a paint brush that suits your fancy and all of a sudden you think it has exonerated 5 centuries of Turkish evil on the island! As if… :roll:

If you want my advice your people should start making themselves useful to the native Cypriots and start blending into their flow instead of nurturing all the reasons that keep you isolated from them.

It’s your choice…
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Re: Greeks are spectacular liars

Postby B25 » Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:40 pm

Mr Frog, when you have to resort to using the toilet paper CM you are scraping the bottom of the barrel. Everyone knows its a Cyprus hating paper for the scumbag carpet baggers and Turks to have a say. The Crap Mail can only thrive by this method as no sane person would read such clap trap. These failed writers have nowhere else to peddle their crap so the CM provides the sewer avenue for them.

I sincerely hope that one day a Charlie hebro visit will come about, they are gagging for it and I for one will piss upon their graves when it does.

Tell us your alias so we can follow your anti GC postings. More evidence for your buddy mustibeadodo, who wonders why we hate you MFs.

Asshole.
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Re: Greeks are spectacular liars

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Jun 15, 2015 12:14 am

MR-from-NG wrote:By George Koumoullis

THE FORGERIES of Cyprus’....


Although he is right on most parts it's still a one sided approach.
Nobody can deny the degree of responsibility of the Gcs in this mess.
The main question is:
Does a crime X justify another crime of 100 times X?
That much was the Turkish Invasion and continuing occupation from 1974 todate. :cry:
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Re: Greeks are spectacular liars

Postby Lordo » Mon Jun 15, 2015 12:40 am

the ink on the agreement had not dried yet and there you had the president and the rest of the ministers set about destroying the republic. and here we have people to this day dare claim the tcs are responsible for what went on. tcs supposedly did not vote for a tax law which caused caos. have you people now see how stupid you have been.
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Re: Greeks are spectacular liars

Postby Get Real! » Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:15 am

The GCs did ZERO compared to what the filthy vile Ottomans did on the island for over 4 centuries (still going actually if you take into consideration all the problems they have caused and are causing the Cypriot natives to this very day) and that’s the bottom line.

So what steps has the useless, backwards, and counter-productive TC community taken (in the last 100 years even) to make amends with the Cypriot natives after all the troubles they've caused them, other than trying to be clever all day pointing their stinky blood-drenched Ottoman finger while hiding behind Turkey's skirt?

Come on clever ones debate this! Debate my arse!

I'll mop the floor with the lot of you! :roll:

PATHETIC FOOLS! :evil:
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