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[Piratis]

Mehmet, I am always talking about a fair solution for both TC and GC. Humiliation is what it was offered to us in the Annan plan. The balance of power is very "unbalanced" right now and because of this a fair solution is not possible.

I don't know how much cost is Turkey willing to pay to continue its illegal occupation. What I know is that the higher the cost the higher the chances are that Turkey will be more compromising. If they always get what they want then there is no hope that they will be more compromising in the future.

[mehmet]

The humiliation I was referring to was about the Republic of Turkey. It wont be allowed to happen whatever the cost economically or politically. It has made no difference before, it wont in future. This is why I believe a solution has to satisfy not just Cypriots but Turkey and Greece. It might not seem reasonable but I believe this is the reality. I don't personally care about the interests of US and UK but I guess they will have a point of view as well.

You continue to believe the world is against you and that everything favours Turkey. Even since April it is obvious how effective RoC has been in obstructing support (politically and militarily) for Turkish Cypriots living in the north.

I think Turkey will be more compromising if it is more democratic and brought closer to EU as that will strengthen the principles of democracy.

[Bananiot]

Piratis is living in the clouds, in fact he seems to have made the clouds his permanent residence. He reckons that Turkey will only leave Cyprus if she is forced to do so. This is absurd to say the least and just like our clueless President, he has no idea of how disputes are solved. He would be a dangerous man if he were to find himself in power and tried to put his vision into praktical use.

Lets go back to Arif Moustafa who has won his supreme court appeal and he immediately gets back his property in the south. For a start, this is a courageous decision by the judge and it shows that justice is on the right tract in Cyprus. In a state of law, the right of property is sacred. In fact, we have been telling this to the UN assembly, year aftre year since 1974 and were actually asking the TC's to return to the South and claim their properties.

Now that the first TC decided to take us on and claim back his property, the superpatriots are shouting their heads off for the "injustice". The government is threatening to appeal against the decision and make a bloody fool of itself once again. It appears, we were calling on the TC's to return when we knew they wouldn't, in order to score points internationally. We still think the "foreigners" are eating ... gonnara.

The hipocracy of the Papadopoulos government knows no bounds ...

[brother]

It takes a big person to see the shortfalls of there leaders and for that i congratulate you and also now we are starting to see the real game being played by the political leaders.
I f unification is truely what they want why would poppa fight the court ruling as the only reason is his aspirations to keep the island divided and for none of the Northern cypriots to come back and that can only be assured if they can not claim there land/homes back.

[brother]

Chirac says Turkey's EU bid 'not a done deal'
AFP: 10/27/2004

PARIS (AFP) - French President Jacques Chirac said Wednesday that Turkey's EU membership bid was "not a done deal," although he believed it was in Europe's best interests, a government spokesman reported after a cabinet meeting.

"It is for Turkey to do the necessary to join the European Union, not for the EU to adapt to Turkey," he was quoted as telling ministers.

Speaking a day after talks in Berlin which included Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, he restated his "conviction that it is in the interests of France and Europe that Turkey can in the long term join the European Union if all the criteria are fulfilled."

"It will demand a considerable effort by Turkey and a lot of time, and it's not a done deal," he added, saying that negotiations could take "at least 15 years."

Having received a positive recommendation from the European Commission on Ankara's membership claim, EU leaders are to decide on December 17 whether -- and if so, when -- to open negotiations.

Chirac has already indicated his support, but many in his ruling party, in the opposition and among the French public are against Turkey's membership.

Briefing the cabinet on the talks in Berlin, the president outlined three scenarios.

One was that Ankara's efforts to match EU standards would lead to a formal membership treaty, which would then have to be ratified by a referendum which Chirac has promised to hold in France.

A second scenario was that negotiations would fail and the whole process would be suspended.

The third was that talks would stumble over "fundamental issues," forcing Brussels and Ankara to find another solution short of membership -- a scenario favoured by many of the opponents to Turkish membership

[michalis5354]

Turkeys road towards the EU has resulted in many changes which may have an impact on any future attempt for settlement:

Firstly the military influence on foreign matters has been eliminated .Secondly the National Security Council in Turkey has been passed to the civilian Politicians along with many other changes in legislation which have to do with EU Laws.

As Mehmet said Turkey moving towards the EU will increase the chances Of being more flexibile . Now the statues of Turkey is quite uncertain and thinking on that perspective there is no incentive for Turkey to show good will or to compromise further in Cyprus especially If it is not fully confirmed that Turkey will be an EU member.

[brother]

THATS A FAIR ASSESMENT BUT IF TASSOS STOPS PLAYING THE BLACKMAIL GAME AND INSTEAD CONCENTRATES ON A VIABLE DEAL ACCEPTABLE TO BOTH COMMUNITIES I BELIEVE TURKEY WILL ASSIST IN THE PROCESS.