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[Garavnoss]

Then unfortunately, we are unable to discuss the matter further.

Unfortunately, this is a tactic of yours when you do not respond to questions. We seen it before when Tim was running circles around you.

You're too soft.

Compassionate might be a better term I think.

[Sotos]

He's the master of allegory

I am surprised that some people believe that his stories have anything to do with reality!

I am obliged to concur, although it could be argued that many of them are equally worthy of belief as the rubbish the newspapers do churn out on a daily basis.

The unfortunate result of being unable to determine which is real and which is false [particularly in matters political] ensures that the general public can be depended upon to support the actions of their leaders, even though they know them to be wrong.

There is NO difference between the killing of one innocent human being and the killing of another [by whosoever] and the fact that the Western powers have stronger military forces [and more political astuteness] to impose their will upon the less well equipped, does not give them the automatic right to cause havoc among other weaker nations in order to satisfy their own hidden agendas.

It should come as no surprise that the offended nations retaliate against aggression, it should come as no surprise that among those who DO retaliate, are those [offshoots] who adopt the same [or worse] horrific methods of redress as is imposed upon them.

Have you ever heard the expression [usually when a lie is told] "You should have been a politician" ? that just about sums it up.

And making up imaginary stories is needed to make a point? Anyway ... I agree with what you said about retaliation but those that you support don't just retaliate but they also attack other people who are also victims of the same Western powers. So I don't think there is any logic in their madness.

[Garavnoss]

He's the master of allegory

I am surprised that some people believe that his stories have anything to do with reality!

I am obliged to concur, although it could be argued that many of them are equally worthy of belief as the rubbish the newspapers do churn out on a daily basis.

The unfortunate result of being unable to determine which is real and which is false [particularly in matters political] ensures that the general public can be depended upon to support the actions of their leaders, even though they know them to be wrong.

There is NO difference between the killing of one innocent human being and the killing of another [by whosoever] and the fact that the Western powers have stronger military forces [and more political astuteness] to impose their will upon the less well equipped, does not give them the automatic right to cause havoc among other weaker nations in order to satisfy their own hidden agendas.

It should come as no surprise that the offended nations retaliate against aggression, it should come as no surprise that among those who DO retaliate, are those [offshoots] who adopt the same [or worse] horrific methods of redress as is imposed upon them.

Have you ever heard the expression [usually when a lie is told] "You should have been a politician" ? that just about sums it up.

And making up imaginary stories is needed to make a point? Anyway ... I agree with what you said about retaliation but those that you support don't just retaliate but they also attack other people who are also victims of the same Western powers. So I don't think there is any logic in their madness.

My only "Support" [if that be the correct term] is that I believe that ANY person [or group] has the right to a defence against those who impose their will or inflict violence upon them.

What we are dealing with today is the end product of cowardly and murderous attacks upon innocent people by the Yankee forces, they have stirred up unrest in a region that would have been better left in peace, we now ALL must face the consequences of their actions and [as is common in such conflicts] it will be the ordinary defenceless folk who must bear the brunt of retaliatory actions whilst the instigators make capital out of it all.

If there be any "Logic" in this "Madness"[as you describe it] it can only be detected in the agendas of the Yankee aggressors, those that are in opposition are acting out of desperation and are now beyond the point where negotiation is possible, too many innocent young children, families and friends have been slaughtered, too many homes and villages destroyed, too many starving and made homeless,the opposition has no more to lose, the damage has been done.

That is the "Short and Curlies" of the situation, facts are facts and must be faced.

[Paphitis]

Then unfortunately, we are unable to discuss the matter further.

Unfortunately, this is a tactic of yours when you do not respond to questions. We seen it before when Tim was running circles around you.

You're too soft.

Compassionate might be a better term I think.

oh yes, you would allow a same sex couple a loving embrace before you "sling em orf"

[Garavnoss]

Then unfortunately, we are unable to discuss the matter further.

Unfortunately, this is a tactic of yours when you do not respond to questions. We seen it before when Tim was running circles around you.

You're too soft.

Compassionate might be a better term I think.

oh yes, you would allow a same sex couple a loving embrace before you "sling em orf"

I am NOT responsible for the actions of others, I merely report.

A Yankee bomber dropping bombs from high altitude onto sleeping civilians is a far greater offence methinks.

[Sotos]

My only "Support" [if that be the correct term] is that I believe that ANY person [or group] has the right to a defence against those who impose their will or inflict violence upon them.

Right. But how does ISIS fighters, many of whom are foreigners, attacking the local Kurdish population and other native people fits in a "right to a defense"?

[Garavnoss]

My only "Support" [if that be the correct term] is that I believe that ANY person [or group] has the right to a defence against those who impose their will or inflict violence upon them.

Right. But how does ISIS fighters, many of whom are foreigners, attacking the local Kurdish population and other native people fits in a "right to a defense"?

I am not qualified to answer that particular question but would hazard a guess by suggesting the following [by observation].

The IS might consider themselves [and their objective to establish a Caliphate] to be THE only route to a peaceful world, whether or not their objective is a viable proposition is a moot point but, IF they consider that others [who profess to be true believers] are less devout [or considered to be] than themselves and DO NOT wish to live under "Sharia Law" [or the Caliphate] then they obviously are regarded as enemies.

In many cases, there is great suspicion that other offshoots of the faith are actually in league with the very forces that are seeking to destroy IS, it is hardly surprising therefore that the IS will attack them with the same [or more] ferocity that the Yanks [and others] have attacked them [and the regions] in the past.

The IS did not exist until relatively recently, it might be a good idea to ALLOW them to establish their Caliphate and give it a chance to prove it's worth, IF it works, leave it alone and maybe even learn something from it, if it doesn't work [given a reasonable time] if it became a serious threat to the peace and stability of the region [or the world] THAT would be the appropriate time to attack it.

Why the great fear ?, currently the IS are acting in a retaliatory manner, their actions are no less horrendous than those THEY have suffered from and consideration should be given to the fact that "A Dead Body" is "A Dead Body" by whosoever's hand.

An atrocity committed by the West is no less of an atrocity committed by IS......that's how I see it.

[Paphitis]

Then unfortunately, we are unable to discuss the matter further.

Unfortunately, this is a tactic of yours when you do not respond to questions. We seen it before when Tim was running circles around you.

You're too soft.

Compassionate might be a better term I think.

oh yes, you would allow a same sex couple a loving embrace before you "sling em orf"

I am NOT responsible for the actions of others, I merely report.

A Yankee bomber dropping bombs from high altitude onto sleeping civilians is a far greater offence methinks.

Please accept my apologies for the lateness of my reply.

Please provide an example of when and where American Bombers dropped bombs on civilians?

Even if true, the American bombers are only responding to the attacks on Kurdish, Yazidi, SHIA, Christian and Turkmen civilians. Not to mention the attacks and barbaric murders of Western Hostages and preserve the dejure sovereignty of Iraq against the murderous and genocidal DAESH.

[Garavnoss]

I fear some of us may have forgotten the "Shock and Awe" tactics of the Yanks when they attacked the sleeping defenceless nation of Iraq and bombed them from high altitude knowing full well that they were out of the range of any defensive weaponry.

I fear some of us may have forgotten that the REASONS for the attack have since been discredited.

From THAT action, EVERY retaliatory event and the lives of EVERY innocent victim of them, is attributable to the same source.

Colour it which way you like, that is the bare bones of the matter and everyone knows it.

[tsukoui]

I think Garavnoss has every right in citing racism in this instance. The Cypriot psychi is far more sensitive than that of Europeans. The police are acting as if we have the same mental rights as "Whites" when in fact we deserve greater rights that take into account our differences.