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Postby Lordo » Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:22 pm

there you have it folks. the eu will leave the solution in the hands of the two leaders and will not interfere. when it comes to solution there will be financial help to solve the problem.

so no more excuses left, no rocs to hide behind.


http://cyprus-mail.com/2015/07/15/juncker-visit-particularly-important/
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Re: no excuses left

Postby Kikapu » Fri Jul 17, 2015 6:36 pm

Lordo wrote:there you have it folks. the eu will leave the solution in the hands of the two leaders and will not interfere. when it comes to solution there will be financial help to solve the problem.

so no more excuses left, no rocs to hide behind.


http://cyprus-mail.com/2015/07/15/juncker-visit-particularly-important/


Akinci either has a comprehension problem, a learning disability or he is just plain ignorant! :roll:

Juncker said;

Van Nuffel would be reporting personally to him. He will assist the parties in the settlement talks with technical and legal expertise and will ensure that any solution will be compatible with European law and European values.”


Akinci said;

But he warned that the EU should not be the ‘catch-all’ solution in the case of Cyprus. “We should have a critical balance, on the one hand, upholding the principles and values ​​of the EU and on the other, to have the principles of a bicommunal and bizonal solution respected,” he said.

“For this reason, we should have some exceptions to the acquis which should be accepted by European institutions. This can be done and I hope that will happen if we want to reach a solution.”


After his meeting with Juncker, Akinci tweeted “So far we had limited relations with the EU but we look forward to improving that to prepare the Turkish Cypriots for EU membership.”


Turkish Cypriots are already citizens of the EU, you fool. EU membership is only for the states and not for the individuals and there's no such thing as Turkish Cypriot state. The illegal "trnc" is nothing in the eyes of the EU.

Akinci said;
In statements to the press later, he said the Turkish Cypriot community was perhaps the only community worldwide that while it consented to join the EU, was still outside of the bloc.


Another ignorant statement by Akinci. The TC community did not consent to join the EU bloc. They consented to pass the Annan Plan, that's all. Despite the AP failing because of the GCs, the TCs are still EU citizens.

Akinci is talking AKILSIZ (foolish), and unless he gets his head out of Turkey's butt and sticks it in the EU's butt, I do not expect too much to come out of these so called "solution talks".
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Re: no excuses left

Postby Lordo » Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:17 pm

how many times have i got a tell you old fool you are clueless. the brits are talking about removing the eu human rights laws and nobody is saying it is against the eu principles. what furquin principles are these then.

and what about this bit which you conveniently ignore.

Juncker said he had reappointed Pieter Van Nuffel as his personal representative for Cyprus but said there would be no interference from Brussels in the negotiations.

No interference - now get this into your simple head.
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Re: no excuses left

Postby Kikapu » Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:45 pm

Lordo wrote:how many times have i got a tell you old fool you are clueless. the brits are talking about removing the eu human rights laws and nobody is saying it is against the eu principles. what furquin principles are these then.

and what about this bit which you conveniently ignore.

Juncker said he had reappointed Pieter Van Nuffel as his personal representative for Cyprus but said there would be no interference from Brussels in the negotiations.

No interference - now get this into your simple head.


It is a very loose statement which simply means they will let the leaders in Cyprus work out a solution themselves and not to be lead by Brussels, BUT under the following conditions.

Juncker said;
Van Nuffel would be reporting personally to him. He will assist the parties in the settlement talks with technical and legal expertise and will ensure that any solution will be compatible with European law and European values.


Now do you get it?
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Re: no excuses left

Postby Lordo » Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:20 pm

which bit of no interference do you not understand.
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Re: no excuses left

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:25 pm

...defining what ''bicommunal'', and "bizonal'' means, is needed. And in any case the Republic will exist. If there exists a Turkish Constituency, to exist, within a State, a set of Cypriot Constituencies must exist.

...if "bi", implies "two", it does not imply "Greek/Turkish", but more to the point, it implies "Person/Individual", in the context of political geography, or political economics, we are Cypriots above all, regardless how we identify ourselves to "others", as the "us", you happen to be.
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Re: no excuses left

Postby Lordo » Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:52 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...defining what ''bicommunal'', and "bizonal'' means, is needed. And in any case the Republic will exist. If there exists a Turkish Constituency, to exist, within a State, a set of Cypriot Constituencies must exist.

...if "bi", implies "two", it does not imply "Greek/Turkish", but more to the point, it implies "Person/Individual", in the context of political geography, or political economics, we are Cypriots above all, regardless how we identify ourselves to "others", as the "us", you happen to be.

yep it means two states. North and south, nobody said terggish or greak.
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Re: no excuses left

Postby Nikitas » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:18 am

Now we are getting close to the hard stuff it is evident that preserving the meaning of Bizonality and Bicommunalit as the TCs and Turkey interpret them must, by necessity, involve a territorial settlement that will bolster these interpretations.

The reason is easy to understand. A territory that is on the population ratio level, 18 per cent TCs and 82 per cent all the other communities, allows a contiguous and integral TC region in which TCs can insist on derogations and accomplish that aim with manageable compensation levels. The more territory is claimed the more non TCs it will have to accomodate and then it will be harder to deviate from the three basic EU principles- the most important being freedom of establishment. It would be ironic to be in the EU and agree to the freedom of establishment of all EU citizens except Cypriots in the TC region.

It is doubtful if any treaty can override the rights of individuals if they wish to claim them in EU courts, even if the settlement is validated by a plebiscite, especially if the treaty legalises settlers. I for one would claim equal rights with settlers and go to court over it.

This is what Akinci is trying to achieve by stressing the bizonality and bicommunality aspects. But European are not as sumb as they look. They have dealt with such issues before.

As for the human rights part, to state it one more time, in Europe the human rights issues are the business of the council of Europe, not the EU. The Council of Europe includes non EU states. Yet the principles agreed in the Council of Europe and its Charter of Human Rights are incorporated in the EU since all its members are also members of the Council of Europe. There is no separate definition of human rights used by the EU.
The UK cannot abrogate its obligations under the European Human Rights convention. It can renegotiate some things in the EU or even leave the EU and that will not affect its membership of the Council of Europe.
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Re: no excuses left

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Jul 18, 2015 3:08 am

Lordo wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...defining what ''bicommunal'', and "bizonal'' means, is needed. And in any case the Republic will exist. If there exists a Turkish Constituency, to exist, within a State, a set of Cypriot Constituencies must exist.

...if "bi", implies "two", it does not imply "Greek/Turkish", but more to the point, it implies "Person/Individual", in the context of political geography, or political economics, we are Cypriots above all, regardless how we identify ourselves to "others", as the "us", you happen to be.

yep it means two states. North and south, nobody said terggish or greak.


not even north and south Lordo, one Cyprus, what is within will be represented with many components.
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Re: no excuses left

Postby Lordo » Sat Jul 18, 2015 4:08 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:
Lordo wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...defining what ''bicommunal'', and "bizonal'' means, is needed. And in any case the Republic will exist. If there exists a Turkish Constituency, to exist, within a State, a set of Cypriot Constituencies must exist.

...if "bi", implies "two", it does not imply "Greek/Turkish", but more to the point, it implies "Person/Individual", in the context of political geography, or political economics, we are Cypriots above all, regardless how we identify ourselves to "others", as the "us", you happen to be.

yep it means two states. North and south, nobody said terggish or greak.


not even north and south Lordo, one Cyprus, what is within will be represented with many components.

how do you describe the two constituent states. shall we say Nicogirne state and niconacasoldebaf state. suggest two names for these to constituent names. i would have though north and south is ideal geographical names which should not upset anybody.
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