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The Greek Coup of the 21st Century

Postby Paphitis » Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:57 pm

There is no difference between the Greek Junta and Tsipras ever since the Tsipras administration defied the will of the Greek people.

Tsipras must now resign and call fresh elections because his administration has defied the Greek Constitution and the democratic will of the people.

Either he revalidate his mandate or step aside because what he did was criminal. How dare he marginalise and humiliate Greece in such a way.

If Greek Tanks make their way into Syntagma and take control of Greece like they did in 1967, then so be it. Might as well have a real coup where the Generals are once again in charge until fresh elections.
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Re: The Greek Coup of the 21st Century

Postby Nikitas » Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:16 pm

The indications are that there will be elections shortly after the approval of the 3rd loan agreement.
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Re: The Greek Coup of the 21st Century

Postby Paphitis » Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:19 pm

Nikitas wrote:The indications are that there will be elections shortly after the approval of the 3rd loan agreement.


What gives them the right to do that?

There was a referendum and I can't see how 300 odd votes can absolve the Parliament from the will of the people.

I foresee Varoufakis making his own party very soon.
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Re: The Greek Coup of the 21st Century

Postby Paphitis » Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:22 pm

What does the Constitution say?

Can the Parliament defy the Democratic voice? Yes or No?
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Re: The Greek Coup of the 21st Century

Postby Nikitas » Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:32 pm

If a party loses its formal parliamentary majority it can ask the president to declare elections. However, as the last elections were less than a year ago there is a special procedure regarding caretaker governing etc.

Tsipras now faces a revolt from 39 of his party, it is expected to grow as new bills implementing the loan agreement come to parliament. He did say that he will first see the process through and hinted at elections soon after. That would make it mid September. Any later and the big item tax bills wills begin to hit the population, like the land possession tax ENFIA and the new 23 per cent VAT on private education, etc.

How ironic that the big debating point in December was the one billion euro deal being discussed via email by the then finance minister Hardouvelis. One billion sounds like a joy ride now. If only plitician had been patient and let the last agreement run its course, Greece would be out of the mess, now it is in deeper than ever.

As a Cypriot I hope the defence people are of a different mentality.
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Re: The Greek Coup of the 21st Century

Postby Paphitis » Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:44 pm

You underestimate the will of the people. The Greek people won't forget it either.

What happens when the 39 MP splinter group become 151 after the next elections with Varoufakis at the helm? And what does that say about the agreement?
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Re: The Greek Coup of the 21st Century

Postby B25 » Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:47 pm

Thats when Greece will be totally fucked. You can only play the big I am, when you have the money to back it up.

Don't get me wrong, U was hoping Greece would have stuck it to them when the talks were going on bur alas! Tsipra didn't turn out to be the guy I thought he was.
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Re: The Greek Coup of the 21st Century

Postby Paphitis » Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:56 pm

B25 wrote:Thats when Greece will be totally fucked. You can only play the big I am, when you have the money to back it up.

Don't get me wrong, U was hoping Greece would have stuck it to them when the talks were going on bur alas! Tsipra didn't turn out to be the guy I thought he was.
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When do you think they will have money now?

I view things differently. I know Greece will be in dire straights but sometimes you need to preserve what you have - dignity and respect.

Greece would eventually pull through and the Eurothugs will lose because they have inadvertently sent the message that the Euro is for the big boys so God help Italy and Spain who are swimming in debt as well.

No one had a right to sell Greece.

When they get on their feet, they will have another say on the matter.
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Re: The Greek Coup of the 21st Century

Postby Robin Hood » Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:37 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Nikitas wrote:The indications are that there will be elections shortly after the approval of the 3rd loan agreement.


What gives them the right to do that?

There was a referendum and I can't see how 300 odd votes can absolve the Parliament from the will of the people.

I foresee Varoufakis making his own party very soon.


I agree with that sentiment. Tsipras has lost all credibility and if Varoufakis gets into the driving seat after an election victory, especially if is even bigger than Syriza;s last one, he will rattle a few teeth ...... that is if he doesn't fall ill and die in mysterious circumstances! :?
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Re: The Greek Coup of the 21st Century

Postby tsukoui » Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:48 pm

I agree Varoufakis would make an excellent leader, alla what actually made Tsipras cave? I heard a Syriza founder and economics professor say that neither they nor the country was prepared for the bankers plans... what were they exactly and how can they prepare?
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