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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Get Real! » Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:00 pm

Lordo wrote:you have not even heard what is going to be proposed and you are against it already. you people do not deserve a federation because you are as thick as shit and have been brainwashed.

what is the matter with you people. who has ever mentioned about returning to pre 74. on your bikes idiots.

the sooner we separate the better. i hope gcs say no this time too and saves the tcs.

:roll: Fuck your propositions. We don't do deals with minorities especially ones as useless as yours.
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Lordo » Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:15 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Lordo wrote:you have not even heard what is going to be proposed and you are against it already. you people do not deserve a federation because you are as thick as shit and have been brainwashed.

what is the matter with you people. who has ever mentioned about returning to pre 74. on your bikes idiots.

the sooner we separate the better. i hope gcs say no this time too and saves the tcs.

:roll: Fuck your propositions. We don't do deals with minorities especially ones as useless as yours.

on your bike boy.

but you must learn to peddle backwards ok.

you will need it.
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Sotos » Sun Aug 16, 2015 3:54 pm

Bosnia is a mess... dysfunctional and unstable. An example to be avoided.

My prediction for what its worth is that after a rejection Turkey will organise a plesbicite and they will go for some kind of Autonomy/home rule for Turkish Cypriots within a Turkish state.


For us it wouldn't make any difference... occupation is occupation. It doesn't matter what you call it. Actually if you do such thing it might make it easier for us to cut you off the ROC (EU) citizenship. Many countries do not accept dual citizenship for their citizens. We could pass a law to do this too. And if any TCs get the Turkish citizenship that would automatically mean that they lose the RoC citizenship. So go ahead with that plan because you are going to lose from it, not us.
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Lordo » Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:04 pm

you what?

thats a big if stupid boy. how many tcs have terggish passports. you idiot.
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby cypriotnado » Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:24 pm

Sotos wrote:Bosnia is a mess... dysfunctional and unstable. An example to be avoided.

My prediction for what its worth is that after a rejection Turkey will organise a plesbicite and they will go for some kind of Autonomy/home rule for Turkish Cypriots within a Turkish state.


For us it wouldn't make any difference... occupation is occupation. It doesn't matter what you call it. Actually if you do such thing it might make it easier for us to cut you off the ROC (EU) citizenship. Many countries do not accept dual citizenship for their citizens. We could pass a law to do this too. And if any TCs get the Turkish citizenship that would automatically mean that they lose the RoC citizenship. So go ahead with that plan because you are going to lose from it, not us.



I wish you would please read what I said rather then incessant point scoring. I gave Bosnia as an example you claimed none exisited.

Totally agree with you NO solution should be imposed on Cyprus. Look where that got us!

Secondly It is not my position - honestly! I am making a prediction, many in the ROC, Greece, TC, The EU, The World etc are also making similar or different predictions on Cyprus.

I expect in the ROC one is probably seen as a traitor by some for even thinking of certain possible outcomes.

Yes I agree with you completely that TCY should Cypriot loose citizenship if they become part of Turkey or no settlement looks possible.. I don't understand why they were given these things in the first place.

Some Greeks and greek cypriots still think of Istanbul or Constantinople as under occupation. The problem with this logic is its ridiculous and self defeating.

Sadly thats what it will be like In another 40 or so years for Cyprus. Alot of regrets and historical analysis. Too little too late?
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Get Real! » Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:44 pm

cypriotnado wrote: Totally agree with you NO solution should be imposed on Cyprus.

That’s based on your uneducated assumption that such a thing is possible.

Secondly It is not my position - honestly! I am making a prediction, many in the ROC, Greece, TC, The EU, The World etc also are also making similar or different predictions on Cyprus.

Sure... plenty of uneducated fools around.

Before posting your "predictions" (read tossings) you should study what it means to be a sovereign UN member, how the UNGA and the UNSC come into play, and who is who in these organisations with respect to their relationship with the RoC.

Study all that and then come back with your predictions...
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Sotos » Sun Aug 16, 2015 5:47 pm

I gave Bosnia as an example you claimed none exisited.


There was ethnic cleansing in Bosnia but the federation was not a result of the ethnic cleansing... that is why they have several cantons. IF the same was applied to Cyprus then we would also have many cantons, and most of them would be run by GCs and those who would be run by TCs would be on clusters of villages that were traditionally TC.

Some Greeks and greek cypriots still think of Istanbul or Constantinople as under occupation. The problem with this logic is its ridiculous and self defeating.


The difference is that Greece recognized that Constantinople is part of Turkey.
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby cypriotnado » Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:18 pm

Sotos wrote:
I gave Bosnia as an example you claimed none exisited.


There was ethnic cleansing in Bosnia but the federation was not a result of the ethnic cleansing... that is why they have several cantons. IF the same was applied to Cyprus then we would also have many cantons, and most of them would be run by GCs and those who would be run by TCs would be on clusters of villages that were traditionally TC.

Some Greeks and greek cypriots still think of Istanbul or Constantinople as under occupation. The problem with this logic is its ridiculous and self defeating.


The difference is that Greece recognized that Constantinople is part of Turkey.



'While before the war Bosnia was a messy patchwork of ethnicities with no discernable regions devoted to a single ethnicity, ethnic cleansing essentially did the job is was supposed to do by creating distinct Serbian, Muslim, and Croat regions. Before and after ethnographic maps of Bosnia clearly show the dramatic results of ethnic cleansing. As a result, peacemakers tried to find a solution to accommodate these changes. While ideally it would have been favorable to return to Bosnia's multiethnic mixture, the results of the war and the intentions of the negotiating parties, especially the Serbs and Croats, would mean that Bosnia would have to be divided along ethnic lines.' -- ``


Just look at the internet lots of descriptions like this of Bosnia before the war and impact and outcomes from ethnic cleansing and the creation of the resulting state.
I know am not going to convince you. Just going round in circles. But to be clear I am also not saying a TCY state will be recognised by the consequences of NO vote. In that event I cannot see any point in continuing with the talks. The outcome like Bosnia or Israel or Crimea or East Ukraine or Kalingrad ( be it recognised by the UN or not) will be a fait accompli.
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Sotos » Sun Aug 16, 2015 7:43 pm

While before the war Bosnia was a messy patchwork of ethnicities with no discernable regions devoted to a single ethnicity...


Not true. There were discernable regions before the war. The war and the ethnic cleansing just changed the shape of those regions. So even without the ethnic cleansing they could still have the same kind of federation. While in Cyprus there could never be a bi-zonal federation without ethnic cleansing. I hope now it is clear what I am saying.

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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Lordo » Sun Aug 16, 2015 8:29 pm

in the history of the world, how many wars have there been and how many of those were settled by a referendum. it seems to me this will not be either. the war is not finished yet. we have to finish it and then the two leaders will sign the agreement.

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