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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Get Real! » Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:40 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Discussions are all in the past.

Let's wait for Russia to destroy Turkey and then we can have the democracy we want. :D

My thoughts exactly!

Now the entire regional theater is changing...
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby DrCyprus » Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:55 pm

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DrCyprus wrote: Let's keep this kind of statements for contexts where they matter, like for example a discussion on the vitriolic Anan plan that you so love, and not for opinions and assumptions on people's accents.


The reason why I pointed out your mistake is because it typical of a kind of pathological behaviour that occurs here and in Cyprus more widely, not just with extremist nutters like GiG but with seemingly sane people like yourself - a behaviour where one simply sees and makes up what they want to be true totally independent of actual evidence or reality. You did not like the video - therefore by definition it must have been the work of a 'British' person. Actual reality was seemingly irrelevant to you. You do it again here with your assertion that I loved the Annan plan, when in fact I voted against it and have been open and public about that fact here ever since I did. Truth and reality are seemingly inconsequential irrelevancies compared to what you want to believe. This dismissal of actual fact and reality is a Cypriot behaviour that has played such a large part in fucking up Cyprus and keeping it fucked up and thus I try to avoid it myself and on occasion take the trouble to highlight it in places like this.


I have to disagree with you in that it's not a Cypriot behaviour, but rather human behaviour. Especially in this day and age we are all constantly bombarded with information and input and our decision-making faculties end up relying on keywords.

The video I didn't like because it just gave a very general description of what a federation is, showed a sensationalist picture with the two pieces of Cyprus chainlocked together (and not showing the two British bases) and was narrated with an accent and language that I cannot identify as Cypriot even though it was trying to address Cypriots.

I also just saw that you have a Turkish-style nickname and that you talked about the Annan plan so without even really looking at the general content of your posts when talking about the Annan plan I made an assumption.

At this point I do recognise my error and I thank you for pointing it out to me. Apologies given where due.
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Oceanside50 » Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:25 am

erolz66 wrote:
DrCyprus wrote: A video directed to Cypriots should be in Greek and Turkish.


A person making assertions based on incorrect assumptions should check their facts more, but often what should happen does not.


why don't you enlighten us Erolz...with the incorrect assumptions and bad facts
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:30 am

dude, he did, and the Dr. is good enough to recognise what going too far, means.

cheers.

...in any case, the film actually demonstrates the biggest threat to Cyprus' unique identities. It is in English, and it is Cypriot; think about it.

Then consider how valuable our ethnos is, as Cypriots, if we are to defend (it), and to sustain them (its constituencies) accordingly.
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Oceanside50 » Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:35 am

if erolz was against the annan plan,then he will be against this one also
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:13 am

...if it is not possible for Cypriots to defend their identity as Individuals without any further discrimination or distinction, as Cypriots, i will stand against it.

And if as a People, they decide that as Persons there is something in these identities worth preserving, they should; because, if not, let's make English the Official Language and be done with all the politeness, it's English that every child will learn to compete successfully, and it is English that is spoken around the world.

...as i have suggested in the past, it is the very diversity of Cyprus that makes it strong. Cypriots (by defending each other) would do well to take that potential, to facilitate exchange with/for a wider field of 'others'.
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Oceanside50 » Sat Oct 10, 2015 10:28 pm

Erolz needs to answer the question
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby erolz66 » Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:31 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:Erolz needs to answer the question


I do not NEED to do anything. I have a liking for the truth and fact and a dislike for distortion, assertions that are not true and are incorrect. I enterd this thread originally to show that your assertions as to what the Annan Plan said were bollocks compared to what it actually said by comparing what 'you' claimed it said with what it actually said. Doing so made it totally clear the degree to which you had misrepresented what it actually said, yet you continue to live in the denial that you did so. I also pointed out a couple of factually incorrect assumptions made by DrCyprus, which he was big enough to accept were such, unlike yourself. So forgive me if I remain reluctant to try and have a sensible conversation with someone who first makes the kind of gross misrepresentations that you did and then refuse to accept they were such when confronted with incontrovertible hard evidence of the actual text of the actual document they were misrepresenting from the primary source of that document.
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Oceanside50 » Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:02 am

erolz66 wrote:
Oceanside50 wrote:Erolz needs to answer the question


I do not NEED to do anything. I have a liking for the truth and fact and a dislike for distortion, assertions that are not true and are incorrect. I enterd this thread originally to show that your assertions as to what the Annan Plan said were bollocks compared to what it actually said by comparing what 'you' claimed it said with what it actually said. Doing so made it totally clear the degree to which you had misrepresented what it actually said, yet you continue to live in the denial that you did so. I also pointed out a couple of factually incorrect assumptions made by DrCyprus, which he was big enough to accept were such, unlike yourself. So forgive me if I remain reluctant to try and have a sensible conversation with someone who first makes the kind of gross misrepresentations that you did and then refuse to accept they were such when confronted with incontrovertible hard evidence of the actual text of the actual document they were misrepresenting from the primary source of that document.


there were no misrepresentations by me at any time...why were you against the annan plan?
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby erolz66 » Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:24 am

Oceanside50 wrote: there were no misrepresentations by me at any time...why were you against the annan plan?


Like I say I have no desire to try and have a sensible discussion with someone who can not or will not accept factual truth. It is just a fact that you made repeated claims about what the Annan plan said that simply were not what the Annan plan said. That is a fact, it is all here in this thread in black and white. Why would I waste my time discussing anything with someone who does this ?
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