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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Oceanside50 » Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:37 am

erolz66 wrote:
Oceanside50 wrote: there were no misrepresentations by me at any time...why were you against the annan plan?


Like I say I have no desire to try and have a sensible discussion with someone who can not or will not accept factual truth. It is just a fact that you made repeated claims about what the Annan plan said that simply were not what the Annan plan said. That is a fact, it is all here in this thread in black and white. Why would I waste my time discussing anything with someone who does this ?


you sound old, maybe you have dementia...show me where i misrepresented the annan plan....
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby erolz66 » Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:54 am

Oceanside50 wrote: you sound old, maybe you have dementia...show me where i misrepresented the annan plan....


You mean show you AGAIN where you grossly misrepresented what the Annan plan actually said, for I have already done so in this very thread. This is exactly why any rational discussion with yourself is pointless, you simply are unable to accept plain evident undeniable fact.

So once more.

You claimed about the Annan plan

Oceanside50 wrote:The Greek Cypriots will NEVER be permitted to return and form the majority in any of the villages they were ethnically cleansed from in 1974. Annans restrictions mean that even if a Greek Cypriot village is empty today NO Greek Cypriot will ever be allowed back unless SIXTEEN TIMES as many Turkish Cypriots are allowed to colonise it at the same time (Article 3 Para 7 of the foundation agreement). These restrictions because they are on a village-by-village basis will make it impossible for the Greek Cypriots to form any kind of viable community in the north.


It is just a FACT that the above is a gross distortion of what the Annan Plan actually said. What the Anna Plan actually says

Article 3 Para 7 of the foundation agreement wrote: 7. In addition, for a transitional period a constituent state may, pursuant to Constitutional Law, limit the establishment of residence by persons hailing from the other constituent state. To this effect, it may establish a moratorium until the end of the fifth year after entry into force of the Foundation Agreement, after which limitations are permissible if the number of residents hailing from the other constituent state has reached 6% of the population of a village or municipality between the 6th and 9th years and 12% between the 10th and 14th years and 18% of the population of the relevant constituent state thereafter, until the 19th year or Turkey’s accession to the European Union, whichever is earlier. After the second year, no such limitations shall apply to former inhabitants over the age of 65 accompanied by a spouse or sibling, nor to former inhabitants of specified villages.


You assertion that under the terms of the Annan plan GC would never be able to form a numerical majority in any village they used to be such pre 74, within the TC component state - IS NOT TRUE. It is clearly plainly and undeniably not true if you read the actual Annan plan and yet you STILL continue to insist it is true. This why any rational discussion with you is pointless.

This is just ONE example from this thread. There are countless others which I have already previously pointed out to you and yet you STILL try and claim you made no misrepresentations at any time. This is why any attempt at rational discussion with yourself is pointless.
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Lordo » Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:07 pm

the problem is not one village or another. what our pretend democrats want is to be able to flood the north and take control. well it aint gona happen not now and not in the future. when they realise that that is the beginning of peace. of course we will not get there till they accept to share power. but that comes later, step by step.
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby DrCyprus » Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:25 pm

Lordo wrote:the problem is not one village or another. what our pretend democrats want is to be able to flood the north and take control. well it aint gona happen not now and not in the future. when they realise that that is the beginning of peace. of course we will not get there till they accept to share power. but that comes later, step by step.


The fact that this fear you feel is considered valid in your community means that there should be no unification talks at the moment.
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Oceanside50 » Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:48 pm

Erolz wrote

Article 3 Para 7 of the foundation agreement wrote:
7. In addition, for a transitional period a constituent state may, pursuant to Constitutional Law, limit the establishment of residence by persons hailing from the other constituent state. To this effect, it may establish a moratorium until the end of the fifth year after entry into force of the Foundation Agreement, after which limitations are permissible if the number of residents hailing from the other constituent state has reached 6% of the population of a village or municipality between the 6th and 9th years and 12% between the 10th and 14th years and 18% of the population of the relevant constituent state thereafter, until the 19th year or Turkey’s accession to the European Union, whichever is earlier. After the second year, no such limitations shall apply to former inhabitants over the age of 65 accompanied by a spouse or sibling, nor to former inhabitants of specified villages.


You assertion that under the terms of the Annan plan GC would never be able to form a numerical majority in any village they used to be such pre 74, within the TC component state - IS NOT TRUE. It is clearly plainly and undeniably not true if you read the actual Annan plan and yet you STILL continue to insist it is true. This why any rational discussion with you is pointless.

This is just ONE example from this thread. There are countless others which I have already previously pointed out to you and yet you STILL try and claim you made no misrepresentations at any time. This is why any attempt at rational discussion with yourself is pointless.


this clearly states the same thing my post says. there will be limits and restrictions except for

After the second year, no such limitations shall apply to former inhabitants over the age of 65 accompanied by a spouse or sibling, nor to former inhabitants of specified villages.


who is over 65 with siblings and what specified villages...?

the point is, that the GC refugees with their offspring want to go back to their villages, where they have clear and legal title to...do the tc living in occupied cyprus have clear and legal title?


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he problem is not one village or another. what our pretend democrats want is to be able to flood the north and take control. well it aint gona happen not now and not in the future. when they realise that that is the beginning of peace. of course we will not get there till they accept to share power. but that comes later, step by step.


property is ingrained in western society as a fundamental freedom just like freedom of speech,religion, and due process. Things that are ingrained into your people's head that need to be taken away in order to have peace..

the only legal and peaceful thing to do is send a pickup truck in front of the GC's property you people illegally occupy throw your junk in and be driven back to your village in paphos or larnaka or whichever bumfuck place you came from.
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Lordo » Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:55 pm

mavro laoman basdin kellesu. vosgos e yennihes dje vosgos ne bahenais reh vromoshille.
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Oceanside50 » Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:56 pm

Lordo wrote:mavro laoman basdin kellesu. vosgos e yennihes dje vosgos ne bahenais reh vromoshille.


o turkoshistos pou se espire turkouei
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby erolz66 » Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:54 pm

Oceanside50 wrote: this clearly states the same thing my post says.


Exactly why it is pointless trying to have any sort of rational discussion with you. You claim that under the terms of the Annan plan GC would NEVER be able to become a numerical majority in ANY pre 74 village in the area under TC competent state control. That is what you claimed the Annan plan said. It does not say this. The FACT and TRUTH is that under the terms of the Annan plan , GC COULD in fact become a numerical majority again in some of such villages in a time frame starting from between when the agreement is signed to 19 years after it is signed. Your claim is a CLEAR PLAIN and GROSS DISTORTION of what the plan ACTUALLY says. That you can continue to try and insist it is not just shows why any attempt to have a rational discussion with yourself is pointless and the degree to which your extremism forces you to have to deny undeniable factual truth. This kind of determined denial of absolute verifiable truth to me can only be considered rationally as a pathological - a form of mental illness.
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Oceanside50 » Sun Oct 11, 2015 6:06 pm

erolz66 wrote:
Oceanside50 wrote: this clearly states the same thing my post says.


Exactly why it is pointless trying to have any sort of rational discussion with you. You claim that under the terms of the Annan plan GC would NEVER be able to become a numerical majority in ANY pre 74 village in the area under TC competent state control. That is what you claimed the Annan plan said. It does not say this. The FACT and TRUTH is that under the terms of the Annan plan , GC COULD in fact become a numerical majority again in some of such villages in a time frame starting from between when the agreement is signed to 19 years after it is signed. Your claim is a CLEAR PLAIN and GROSS DISTORTION of what the plan ACTUALLY says. That you can continue to try and insist it is not just shows why any attempt to have a rational discussion with yourself is pointless and the degree to which your extremism forces you to have to deny undeniable factual truth.


its clear that the
tc administration will bend over backwards to keep the gc population numbers down and in a clear minority...certain villages where 65 and older and their siblings...we can't dig them out of graves and plant people in villages, another bullshit tactic by the tc
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby erolz66 » Sun Oct 11, 2015 6:56 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:its clear that the tc administration will bend over backwards to keep the gc population numbers down and in a clear minority...certain villages where 65 and older and their siblings...we can't dig them out of graves and plant people in villages, another bullshit tactic by the tc


Your claim was that the Annan Plan said that GC could NEVER be numerically dominant in ANY village in the area under TC component state control. The claim is NOT TRUE. It is NOT WHAT THE ANNAN PLAN ACTUALLY SAYS. If you can not even see and accept what is plain verifiable absolute truth, then why would I or anyone for that matter take your opinion on a matter, like the one you now espouse above, seriously ?
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