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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Oceanside50 » Sat Dec 12, 2015 2:02 am

Hadji Erol, restrictions will be against the Gc
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Oceanside50 » Sat Dec 12, 2015 3:46 pm

erolz66 wrote:
Oceanside50 wrote:its clear that the tc administration will bend over backwards to keep the gc population numbers down and in a clear minority...certain villages where 65 and older and their siblings...we can't dig them out of graves and plant people in villages, another bullshit tactic by the tc


Your claim was that the Annan Plan said that GC could NEVER be numerically dominant in ANY village in the area under TC component state control. The claim is NOT TRUE. It is NOT WHAT THE ANNAN PLAN ACTUALLY SAYS. If you can not even see and accept what is plain verifiable absolute truth, then why would I or anyone for that matter take your opinion on a matter, like the one you now espouse above, seriously ?


as we have seen since the last post Akinci wants guaranteed vast majorities in land and population not unlike the Annan plan, and be enforced through restrictions and derogations. These restrictions and derogations will be enshrined into the constitution and federal law. This actually brings us to our next topic, how can federal law become state law?
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Get Real! » Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:40 pm

I would rather see Cyprus turn into rubble than enter into any agreements with Turkey because that will surely mark the complete end of our people and I would be complicit in the genocide of the native Cypriots.

The rubble can always be rebuilt but a wiped out native Cypriot would be irreversible.

Make no mistake that entering into any political arrangements with Turkey would be tantamount to the genocide of the Cypriots.
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby kurupetos » Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:06 am

Get Real! wrote:I would rather see Cyprus turn into rubble than enter into any agreements with Turkey because that will surely mark the complete end of our people and I would be complicit in the genocide of the native Cypriots.

The rubble can always be rebuilt but a wiped out native Cypriot would be irreversible.

Make no mistake that entering into any political arrangements with Turkey would be tantamount to the genocide of the Cypriots.

Well said... :)

Since I first registered as a member in this forum, I have been saying that we should only agree to a solution after the dissolution of Turkey. :wink:

Some people are beginning to realize that this can soon become a reality... :mrgreen:
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Lordo » Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:32 am

so a barney it is than.
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:42 am

Federal Law is State Law. Where the Federal Government acts in its capacity, State Law must conform.

...i think to change the Constitution, so that in some particular case this is not so, requires, 2/3 of the American population from 2/3 of the States.
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Zenon33 » Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:56 am

The better solution is the return to the 1960 status.
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Oceanside50 » Mon Dec 28, 2015 2:53 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:Federal Law is State Law. Where the Federal Government acts in its capacity, State Law must conform.

...i think to change the Constitution, so that in some particular case this is not so, requires, 2/3 of the American population from 2/3 of the States.


The way federal law becomes state law is that the federal constitution allows states to legislate federal law...For instance the Fed constitution allows states to legislate the 2nd amendment(Gun ownership for protection), there are 50 different gun laws for each state. In Virginia for instance, i have the right to carry a gun on my belt but across the border in D.C, in order for me to have a gun by D.C's gun law, i would have to appear in front of a judge and prove that my life is in danger and then only have it at my residence. If I make the mistake of carrying a gun registered in VA into DC, i could easily go to jail for 3 years. The fed. constitution also allows states to legislate trade within their borders. It does not allow states to legislate a secession from the union. It does not allow states to regulate trade outside of their borders The important thing to remember is that state laws have to stay within the parameters of the federal law and to balance this out, citizens have the right of appeal and through the supremacy clause in the constitution which gives the Federal government the "last say", if the state law is deemed unconstitutional then its nullified.

As for Cyprus, where the issues are different from the USA, the deal they are working on in Cyprus is totally different from the USA model. First the federal government and state governments are equal, there is no supremacy given to anyone. Eu Primary law will be temporarily suspended within the borders of the tc state.

Whatever is being negotiated for the Cyprus model will be federal law. There will be things in it that the states will be able to legislate and things they will not be able to legislate. Restrictions and derogations will be legislated by the states, with no appeal granted to the states citizens, not even to the Eu courts for as long as the restrictions are in place. The Tc state will be able to legislate anything it wants, when it comes to restrictions against the GCypriots, i.e...unfair taxes, no freedom of movement/investments, due process of law will be suspended and with that freedoms such as speech and religion could be restricted. The barriers on the green line that we see today could be built on all entry points between the borders of the two states.
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby kurupetos » Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:42 pm

Zenon33 wrote:The better solution is the return to the 1960 status.

:lol: No, why not return to the pre-1570 status. :mrgreen:
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Lordo » Mon Dec 28, 2015 5:15 pm

kurupetos wrote:
Zenon33 wrote:The better solution is the return to the 1960 status.

:lol: No, why not return to the pre-1570 status. :mrgreen:

why stop there, lets go back to 10000 before muhammed.
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