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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby kurupetos » Wed Dec 30, 2015 6:16 pm

Lordo wrote:
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Zenon33 wrote:The better solution is the return to the 1960 status.

:lol: No, why not return to the pre-1570 status. :mrgreen:

why stop there, lets go back to 10000 before muhammed.

:lol: It's a joke, kuz. We can only shape the future.
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Lordo » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:51 pm

kurupetos wrote:
Lordo wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
Zenon33 wrote:The better solution is the return to the 1960 status.

:lol: No, why not return to the pre-1570 status. :mrgreen:

why stop there, lets go back to 10000 before muhammed.

:lol: It's a joke, kuz. We can only shape the future.

like hell it was. actually i would like you to return under the venetians where you were slaves. that would be good for you. builds character and all.....
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Sotos » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:07 pm

I wish we have stayed under the Venetians. They were European people similar to us that didn't bring truck loads of settlers so they wouldn't have caused us a long lasting problem.
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Oceanside50 » Thu Dec 31, 2015 2:59 am

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repulsewarrior wrote:Federal Law is State Law. Where the Federal Government acts in its capacity, State Law must conform.

...i think to change the Constitution, so that in some particular case this is not so, requires, 2/3 of the American population from 2/3 of the States.


The way federal law becomes state law is that the federal constitution allows states to legislate federal law...For instance the Fed constitution allows states to legislate the 2nd amendment(Gun ownership for protection), there are 50 different gun laws for each state. In Virginia for instance, i have the right to carry a gun on my belt but across the border in D.C, in order for me to have a gun by D.C's gun law, i would have to appear in front of a judge and prove that my life is in danger and then only have it at my residence. If I make the mistake of carrying a gun registered in VA into DC, i could easily go to jail for 3 years. The fed. constitution also allows states to legislate trade within their borders. It does not allow states to legislate a secession from the union. It does not allow states to regulate trade outside of their borders The important thing to remember is that state laws have to stay within the parameters of the federal law and to balance this out, citizens have the right of appeal and through the supremacy clause in the constitution which gives the Federal government the "last say", if the state law is deemed unconstitutional then its nullified.

As for Cyprus, where the issues are different from the USA, the deal they are working on in Cyprus is totally different from the USA model. First the federal government and state governments are equal, there is no supremacy given to anyone. Eu Primary law will be temporarily suspended within the borders of the tc state.

Whatever is being negotiated for the Cyprus model will be federal law. There will be things in it that the states will be able to legislate and things they will not be able to legislate. Restrictions and derogations will be legislated by the states, with no appeal granted to the states citizens, not even to the Eu courts for as long as the restrictions are in place. The Tc state will be able to legislate anything it wants, when it comes to restrictions against the GCypriots, i.e...unfair taxes, no freedom of movement/investments, due process of law will be suspended and with that freedoms such as speech and religion could be restricted. The barriers on the green line that we see today could be built on all entry points between the borders of the two states.



RW, any other questions mate?...... you sound like you've thrown your thingy away ....EU primary law being suspended even temporarily is a long shot...i don't know why these bozos are even negotiating a bbf






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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:29 am

It seems simple enough for me Ocean, I'll wait, and in the mean time, I shall defend the Cyprus I believe in...
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Lordo » Thu Dec 31, 2015 10:57 am

there are some very stupid people on this forum. if bbf was so much against eu law, how come the eu approved it in 2004 and will approve it again in 2016. they are at the negotiations to aid the negotiators.

the real problem is people here do not understand what being in the eu is about. they treat it like it is a club with rules and if you do not adhere to one of the rules you can be thrown out. bullshit, its nothing of the kind. there are exceptions all over.
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Oceanside50 » Thu Dec 31, 2015 3:15 pm

cyprus was not in the EU back then....its one thing to come into the Eu as a country with restrictions its another to take away rights from an EU citizen....
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Lordo » Fri Jan 01, 2016 12:05 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:cyprus was not in the EU back then....its one thing to come into the Eu as a country with restrictions its another to take away rights from an EU citizen....

eu backed the annan plan stupid, the fact that roc was not in the eu is neither here nor there. do you suppose they had no idea what was in it you stupid idiot.
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Jan 01, 2016 11:09 pm

...be serious. The EU would have backed any plan so long as it was voted upon, and approved by the People.

What the Annan Plan proved, is that the overwhelming population of Cyprus voted for Cyprus, and that its failure was more a failure of fifty years of Turkish Foreign Policy.

...either way, it does not mean it would have been able to withstand the scrutiny of the Courts.
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Lordo » Fri Jan 01, 2016 11:21 pm

you are hopeless rw. failure of 50 years of roc policies would make more sense ffs. have you learnt nothing from this forum. what about 1972 and the agreement between dengtash and clerides which makarios blocked. i sometimes wonder about your sanity rw.
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