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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Aug 30, 2015 7:04 pm

...again, i will ask you kurupetos,

could you live in a Unitary State where in, there exists a Republic of Cyprus, an equal vote for each and every citizen, as a Cypriot, without any other distinction or discrimination, but by having another level of government, by residing in one of a set of Constituencies having a choice, self representation which as an agenda sustains your (communal) distinct identity, whether, as part of a majority or a minority as electors respecting and recognising these (individual) needs?

I remember you calling the Flag of Cyprus, a rag, something temporary, i ask you, if it represents its People, in the same manner as it does anywhere where people fight for their Freedom as Individuals, what is better?

@ Lordo, you? Will you answer my question clearly, and demonstrate that you are not just a defender of "Turkishness" against "Greekness" imposing on "Turkishness"?

...frankly, i would like to hear sotos' position on this question, and erolz.

@ GR, you? What is racist about this question?

...can you live in a Cyprus where you are Cypriot, and that being "Greek", or "Turkish" (Maronite, Armenian, Latin) is sustained internally, as Cypriots, by choice?
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby kurupetos » Sun Aug 30, 2015 8:09 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...again, i will ask you kurupetos,

could you live in a Unitary State where in, there exists a Republic of Cyprus, an equal vote for each and every citizen, as a Cypriot, without any other distinction or discrimination, but by having another level of government, by residing in one of a set of Constituencies having a choice, self representation which as an agenda sustains your (communal) distinct identity, whether, as part of a majority or a minority as electors respecting and recognising these (individual) needs?

I remember you calling the Flag of Cyprus, a rag, something temporary, i ask you, if it represents its People, in the same manner as it does anywhere where people fight for their Freedom as Individuals, what is better?

@ Lordo, you? Will you answer my question clearly, and demonstrate that you are not just a defender of "Turkishness" against "Greekness" imposing on "Turkishness"?

...frankly, i would like to hear sotos' position on this question, and erolz.

@ GR, you? What is racist about this question?

...can you live in a Cyprus where you are Cypriot, and that being "Greek", or "Turkish" (Maronite, Armenian, Latin) is sustained internally, as Cypriots, by choice?

The flag is temporary because if we cannot have a unitary state, our only choice is to be part of Greece. :wink:
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Aug 30, 2015 8:19 pm

...who is the "we" you are talking about?
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby kurupetos » Sun Aug 30, 2015 8:20 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...who is the "we" you are talking about?

The majority of Cypriots. :wink:
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Aug 30, 2015 8:48 pm

...they are not "Greeks", but Greeks.
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby kurupetos » Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:33 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...they are not "Greeks", but Greeks.

Greeks of Cyprus.
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:14 pm

...yes, let's thrash about in English, for "Greekness", as though "being Greek" is what keeps our bellies full.
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Oceanside50 » Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:27 pm

Lets summarize what we have learned so far about federalism.. We are reviewing the definition of a federal republic, Constituent states Rights, and the rights of the federal government..feel free to comment..

What is a federation?

A federation (from Latin: foedus, gen.: foederis, "covenant"), also known as a federal state, is a political entity characterized by a union of partially self-governing states or regions under a central (federal) government. In a federation, the self-governing status of the component states, as well as the division of power between them and the central government, are typically constitutionally entrenched and may not be altered by a unilateral decision of either party, the states or the federal political body


Constituent States Rights...

States' Rights
A doctrine and strategy in which the rights of the individual states are protected by the U.S. Constitution from interference by the federal government.
The history of the United States has been marked by conflict over the proper allocation of power between the states and the federal government. The federal system of government established by the U.S. Constitution recognized the sovereignty of both the state governments and the federal government by giving them mutually exclusive powers as well as concurrent powers. In the first half of the nineteenth century, arguments over states' rights arose in the context of Slavery. From the 1870s to the 1930s, economic issues shaped the debate. In the 1950s racial Segregation and the Civil Rights Movement renewed the issue of state power. By the 1970s economic and political conservatives had begun to call for a reduction in the power and control of the federal government and for the redistribution of responsibilities to the states.
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James Madison:
People live in states. People work in states. People vote in states. People own property in states. People get married and raise families in states. In sum, the vast majority of the laws under which each of us abide are state laws, not federal laws. Unsurprisingly then, as James Madison explained in Federalist 46, "the first and most natural attachment of the people will be to the governments of their respective States."

So while many liberals aren't pleased with the new abortion law passed in Texas, it's also true that many conservatives are displeased with Colorado's new gun-control laws. But again, as James Madison reminds, "Truth, no less than decency, requires that the event in every case should be supposed to depend on the sentiments and sanction of their common constituents."

.....common constituents, very important when applied to Cyprus...also remember that almost 99% of the laws citizens encounter on their day to day lives are state laws and not federal...


Federal/Central governments powers and function....

James Madison..
The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce.... The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.


heres a quote from our village idiot who is truly clueless about what a Federation entails,

let those assholes who think federation is division read this. ohps i forgot you are one of them yanke boy. gavole gozunguzu cikarasingiz bilmessingiz.
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:44 am

...interesting, because almost all the services a citizen receives, generally, comes from the Municipal level of Government. By 'regionalising' the context of a Constituency, geographic components are added to the stewardship of sustaining a distinct identity. Thus, a constituency, its Assembly, finds from the competition of its Municipalities, the object of debate. What is important, I believe, is that the taxpayer remain as close to their tax payments as possible. Having a Municipal level of Government, a set of National Assemblies, and a Federal Government, is expensive, perhaps. But, it secures for its electors reasoning and debate that will lead to their making the best decisions possible for themselves.

...a BBF, in that regard means power to the people; "Greeks" and "Turks" will have far less influence in the politics of Cypriots' lives. At the Federal level, they are Cypriots, at the Constituent level they live as a Person by their own choosing, and as a dweller in a Municipality they enjoy the services they provide for themselves as Constituents (within a State).
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Re: What is a Federation and is it good for Cyprus?

Postby Paphitis » Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:47 am

kurupetos wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...again, i will ask you kurupetos,

could you live in a Unitary State where in, there exists a Republic of Cyprus, an equal vote for each and every citizen, as a Cypriot, without any other distinction or discrimination, but by having another level of government, by residing in one of a set of Constituencies having a choice, self representation which as an agenda sustains your (communal) distinct identity, whether, as part of a majority or a minority as electors respecting and recognising these (individual) needs?

I remember you calling the Flag of Cyprus, a rag, something temporary, i ask you, if it represents its People, in the same manner as it does anywhere where people fight for their Freedom as Individuals, what is better?

@ Lordo, you? Will you answer my question clearly, and demonstrate that you are not just a defender of "Turkishness" against "Greekness" imposing on "Turkishness"?

...frankly, i would like to hear sotos' position on this question, and erolz.

@ GR, you? What is racist about this question?

...can you live in a Cyprus where you are Cypriot, and that being "Greek", or "Turkish" (Maronite, Armenian, Latin) is sustained internally, as Cypriots, by choice?

The flag is temporary because if we cannot have a unitary state, our only choice is to be part of Greece. :wink:


I would advise strongly against this! There is no future in that, and you would be skint!

But if you feel there is no other choice, then I propose ENOSIS with either Israel or Australia! :lol:
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