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Re: Erdogan's Megalomania Fuels Terrorism!

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Sep 24, 2015 11:21 am

Lordo wrote:i can't see him being tried while he is in office. after he goes perhaps. people in office have diplomatic immunity.


The president has pretty strong immunity from prosecution but I am not so sure how absolute it is. Given there are pretty reliable rumours that he has already appointed a team of lawyers to look into whether the president can be arrested and prosecuted under any circumstances and to prepare possible defences, this suggests the man himself is worried. Of course, if there's a coup, he'll be nicked pretty quickly.
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Re: Erdogan's Megalomania Fuels Terrorism!

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Sep 24, 2015 11:24 am

By the way, have a good sacrifice festival.

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Re: Erdogan's Megalomania Fuels Terrorism!

Postby Get Real! » Thu Sep 24, 2015 11:30 am

Tim Drayton wrote:The president has pretty strong immunity from prosecution but I am not so sure how absolute it is. Given there are pretty reliable rumours that he has already appointed a team of lawyers to look into whether the president can be arrested and prosecuted under any circumstances and to prepare possible defences, this suggests the man himself is worried. Of course, if there's a coup, he'll be nicked pretty quickly.

Political immunity is once again something that is determined by the corrupt West!

We all witnessed the “immunity” of former politicians like Gaddafi and Hussein go out the window overnight for not conforming to the global mafia, while obedient arch criminals like Netanyahu and Erdogan are welcomed and celebrated!

So the question if Erdogan is immune from his crimes rests entirely on his obedience to the criminal West. Well serving henchmen to the global regime will survive and renegades will fall.
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Re: Erdogan's Megalomania Fuels Terrorism!

Postby miltiades » Thu Sep 24, 2015 11:46 am

More utter bullskata from a psychopath!!

I thought by now you have been enjoying 72 virgins !!
On the hand you wouldnt know what to do with them!!
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Re: Erdogan's Megalomania Fuels Terrorism!

Postby Get Real! » Thu Sep 24, 2015 12:05 pm

Just to prove my point (yet again) get a load of this shenanigan only possible under the global mafia syndicate with the US at the helm!

U.S. State Department Welcomes News That Saudi Arabia Will Head U.N. Human Rights Panel

https://theintercept.com/2015/09/23/u-s ... cil-panel/

Enjoy yourselves... :lol:
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Re: Erdogan's Megalomania Fuels Terrorism!

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Sep 24, 2015 12:22 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:The president has pretty strong immunity from prosecution but I am not so sure how absolute it is. Given there are pretty reliable rumours that he has already appointed a team of lawyers to look into whether the president can be arrested and prosecuted under any circumstances and to prepare possible defences, this suggests the man himself is worried. Of course, if there's a coup, he'll be nicked pretty quickly.

Political immunity is once again something that is determined by the corrupt West!

We all witnessed the “immunity” of former politicians like Gaddafi and Hussein go out the window overnight for not conforming to the global mafia, while obedient arch criminals like Netanyahu and Erdogan are welcomed and celebrated!

So the question if Erdogan is immune from his crimes rests entirely on his obedience to the criminal West. Well serving henchmen to the global regime will survive and renegades will fall.


Well, yes, look at the way publications like the Economist and the Financial Times have recently been publishing articles quite hostile to Erdoğan - publications that once could not do enough to praise the man - and you have to ask if the tides are shifting.
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Re: Erdogan's Megalomania Fuels Terrorism!

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Sep 24, 2015 1:25 pm

There is a discussion about the president's immunity from prosecution on the following thread at a Turkish lawyers' internet forum:

http://www.turkhukuksitesi.com/showthread.php?t=39266

The view seems to be that this applies to actions taken by the president while performing his presidential duties and not to penal liability for his personal acts.
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Re: Erdogan's Megalomania Fuels Terrorism!

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:12 am

observer wrote:That's the real problem with democracy. Sometimes the electorate elect people we don't like.


It's all about democracy, is it? In democracy, does one not expect an opposition media to be able to operate without fearing for its life? Well, let's look at what's going on under Erdoğan's fascist dictatorship.

Cem Küçük, a columnist on the AKP-controlled Star newspaper addressed the following to opposition journalist Ahmet Hakan in his newspaper column:

İstersek seni sinek gibi ezeriz. Bugüne kadar merhamet ettik de hala hayatta kalabiliyorsun.
If we want we will crush you like a fly. We have shown pity until today and you have managed to stay alive.


Yesterday, Ahmet Hakan was attacked in front of his home.
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Re: Erdogan's Megalomania Fuels Terrorism!

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:54 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
observer wrote:If you were more specific about how you believe Erdoğan is "pulling the strings behind the scenes" I could consider it.


Let us look at what Erdoğan himself has said recently:

"Türkiye'nin yönetim sistemi fiilen değişti" (Turkey’s system of government has de facto changed.)

http://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/haber/siya ... isti_.html

In other words he himself admits that he is not acting as President in accordance with the constitution, and he wants the system to be changed to sanction his de facto dictatorship regardless of the fact that the will of the Turkish people as expressed on 7 June was NOT for a change to a presidential system.

There is a wonderful Turkish expression ‘şecâ'at arzederken merd-i kipti sirkatin söyler’ which I think fits this situation perfectly.

Essentially, it has nothing to do with noble arguments about the advantages and disadvantages of a presidential system vis-a-vis a prime-ministerial system, it is just a subterfuge, Putin style, to add a constitutional veneer to the cementing of the Erdoğan dictatorship which will lead to the creation of a ruling dynasty, with Bilal being groomed to be the next to the throne. I believe you are being deliberately disingenuous in pretending not to know this. I don’t believe this is what Turkey or the Turkish people deserve, and I hope he will fail.


It's all rumour at the moment, but Erdoğan's son Bilal, who was clearly being groomed as next in line in the planned Erdoğan dynasty, is reported to have fled with his family to Italy, accompanied by a phalanx of bodyguards and a large amount of cash. Bilal was one of the prime suspects in the December 2013 anti-corruption investigations which may be reopened if a government excluding the AKP can be formed after next month's repeat elections. Given that there is an extradition treaty between Italy and Turkey, if this is true, I doubt if Italy is his final destination. Sounds like de-facto capitulation by the Erdoğans. Watch this space.
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Re: Erdogan's Megalomania Fuels Terrorism!

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Oct 05, 2015 12:00 pm

Two polls out today both put the AKP at below 40%.

The figures in the two polls are:
AKP CHP MHP HDP
38.9 25.97 17.91 12.31
39.8 28.2 17.3 12.3

http://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/foto/foto_ ... tinda.html

Of course, if latest rumour about Bilal is true, the AKP might well now disintegrate.
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