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Re: Why can't even the eu apply pressure for Turkey to withd

Postby Maximus » Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:24 pm

Not at all, but a Cypriot would not delight in Turks fucking Cypriots would they? That alone indicates that you are not really a Cypriot.

Just because you may have an EOKA passport you indicate that your mentality, roots and heart belong in Turkey.

Turks have no legitmate claim to Cyprus or to Turkify it.
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Re: Why can't even the eu apply pressure for Turkey to withd

Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:32 pm

sad fact is that for so many reasons Turkey is seen as the bigger and more important partner to the EU, despite not being a member, than Cyprus, which is. So they end up with all sorts of perks like the Customs union so Turkish goods get in the EU cheap. Result? As Turkish labour laws are not so hot and wages not so high, lots of companies move production to Turkey.

At the same time Turkey with its large armed forces and proximity to Russia, Iran, Iraq, etc, is seen by Nato as a big ally: lots of bases, etc.

That BTW is what stiffed Cyprus in '74.
Callaghan wanted to stop the Turks bringing troops across but needed US Military support. US would not do that as it would split Turkey from Nato, not because of any desire to get rid of Big Mak. The US already had its agreement for the listening posts, just renewed for 10 years.

See http://www3.nd.edu/~dlindley/handouts/US%20role%20in%20Cyprus%20Crises.pdf

To conclude, I will look at both the historical and the policy implications of my argument. This thesis clarifies the history of America’s role in Cyprus during the 1960s and 1970s by establishing the correct narrative of the State Department’s policy development.
The narrative rebuts the arguments of conspiracy theorists such as Brendan O’Malley, Ian Craig, Lawrence Stern, William Mallinson. I accomplish this by targeting the two key points of the conspiracy theory: first, that the U.S. had a continuous, decade-long plan to partition Cyprus through external military intervention and second, that this plan was based on the strategic value of Cyprus as a military base and source of intelligence. Instead, I showed that the first major point is refuted by describing how America’s policy evolved and changed over the course of that decade. Next, it is clear that the communications facilities and Sovereign Base Areas did not merit the importance attributed to them by the conspiracy theorists. War between NATO allies Greece and Turkey would have done much more significant damage to U.S. Cold War interests than the loss of three or four relatively minor intelligence facilities in the Eastern Mediterranean. In addition, war would force the U.S. government to choose sides and lost more important strategic interests, such as the Sixth Fleet or installations in Turkey, as a result. While the U.S.’s rationale was not always commendable or favorable to the Cypriot people and at times the State Department’s decisions may merit criticism, the U.S. did not orchestrate a decade-long conspiracy to
protect its own interests on the island.


For the EU there is now too much cash tied up in Turkey. I think it is a pity that such investment was not retained in the EU and e.g. applied in Greece, Romania, Poland, etc.
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Re: Why can't even the eu apply pressure for Turkey to withd

Postby Maximus » Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:43 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:sad fact is that for so many reasons Turkey is seen as the bigger and more important partner to the EU, despite not being a member, than Cyprus, which is. So they end up with all sorts of perks like the Customs union so Turkish goods get in the EU cheap. Result? As Turkish labour laws are not so hot and wages not so high, lots of companies move production to Turkey.

At the same time Turkey with its large armed forces and proximity to Russia, Iran, Iraq, etc, is seen by Nato as a big ally: lots of bases, etc.

That BTW is what stiffed Cyprus in '74.
Callaghan wanted to stop the Turks bringing troops across but needed US Military support. US would not do that as it would split Turkey from Nato, not because of any desire to get rid of Big Mak. The US already had its agreement for the listening posts, just renewed for 10 years.

See http://www3.nd.edu/~dlindley/handouts/US%20role%20in%20Cyprus%20Crises.pdf

To conclude, I will look at both the historical and the policy implications of my argument. This thesis clarifies the history of America’s role in Cyprus during the 1960s and 1970s by establishing the correct narrative of the State Department’s policy development.
The narrative rebuts the arguments of conspiracy theorists such as Brendan O’Malley, Ian Craig, Lawrence Stern, William Mallinson. I accomplish this by targeting the two key points of the conspiracy theory: first, that the U.S. had a continuous, decade-long plan to partition Cyprus through external military intervention and second, that this plan was based on the strategic value of Cyprus as a military base and source of intelligence. Instead, I showed that the first major point is refuted by describing how America’s policy evolved and changed over the course of that decade. Next, it is clear that the communications facilities and Sovereign Base Areas did not merit the importance attributed to them by the conspiracy theorists. War between NATO allies Greece and Turkey would have done much more significant damage to U.S. Cold War interests than the loss of three or four relatively minor intelligence facilities in the Eastern Mediterranean. In addition, war would force the U.S. government to choose sides and lost more important strategic interests, such as the Sixth Fleet or installations in Turkey, as a result. While the U.S.’s rationale was not always commendable or favorable to the Cypriot people and at times the State Department’s decisions may merit criticism, the U.S. did not orchestrate a decade-long conspiracy to
protect its own interests on the island.


For the EU there is now too much cash tied up in Turkey. I think it is a pity that such investment was not retained in the EU and e.g. applied in Greece, Romania, Poland, etc.


This is the argument of yesteryear and it only lasted a decade, max. While the new Turkish lira was still new. its now getting old, like the old one.

FDI is decreasing massively in Turkey now, its cheap to get the euro in, but it's tooooo expensive and not worth converting it back to take it out. Its only going to get more expensive and become less worth investing in Turkey as time passes.

otherwise, I agree that the Turks are cannon fodder to the EU and the west in general.
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Re: Why can't even the eu apply pressure for Turkey to withd

Postby Kikapu » Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:49 pm

MR-from-NG wrote:
So let me get this straight. To be accepted as a Cypriot I have to criticise everything non Cypriot? I have to hate everything non Cypriot? That's Kikapus speciality :lol: :lol: :lol:


I don't hate anyone who is a non Cypriot, MR-from-NG, and you know that. :D

No no, I just contradict ALL those fukcers who brag about how great they are in everything they do, such as Turkey! :wink:
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Re: Why can't even the eu apply pressure for Turkey to withd

Postby Lordo » Mon Aug 24, 2015 10:07 pm

pass all your vaseline over to your friends old fool. the west needs it. 5.7 billion down and counting. who bragged about terggy you stupid old fool. it is you who keep knocking her at every opportunity.

While we are at it. enjoy.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/booming-turkish-arms-sector-puts-mark-on-fair.aspx?pageID=238&nID=46428&NewsCatID=345
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Re: Why can't even the eu apply pressure for Turkey to withd

Postby Kikapu » Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:19 am

Lordo wrote:pass all your vaseline over to your friends old fool. the west needs it. 5.7 billion down and counting. who bragged about terggy you stupid old fool. it is you who keep knocking her at every opportunity.

While we are at it. enjoy.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/booming-turkish-arms-sector-puts-mark-on-fair.aspx?pageID=238&nID=46428&NewsCatID=345


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Your article is full of hot air. A typical self praising over nothing when it comes to REAL weapons of war. Take the IFF system for example Turkey claims to have produced. They are ONLY being used on very aging F-4 jets who have had the habit of crashing or being shot down lately, taking many Turkish pilot's lives. The Turkish IFF system is not being used on Turkey's air forces backbone jets, the F-16's. Oh Gee, I wonder why? :lol:
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Re: Why can't even the eu apply pressure for Turkey to withd

Postby Oceanside50 » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:15 pm

Mustiejodu wrote:has any gc ever wondered why after 42 years no one has ever managed to force the turkish army out of Cyprus ? The turkish army will withdraw only when they decide to withdraw. You have joined eu in hope of applying pressure on Turkey but it has had the total opposite affect. No one has ever applied real pressure on the Turkish army to withdraw because they realise that it does keep the peace between the 2 communities . As they can't find a solution to solve the problem they realise this is the only solution that is working untill a better solution is proposed.


Turkey is on the brink of collapse , the country is slowly turning to the point where any pressure would make it the next Syria. Turkey is a very weak country
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Re: Why can't even the eu apply pressure for Turkey to withd

Postby Nikitas » Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:10 pm

they are not being pressured to leave because if they left there would be no excuse to keep them out of the EU.

Back in 1992 when Greece lifted its veto on the EU Turkey customs union, and there was no longer a suitable excuse, the European had to show their true colors for the delay.

As for pressure being applied by nations on nations, the time scale differs. Forty years with UN resolutions pending is pressure in their terms. Even far more pressing matters, like Iraq, went from the early 90s till today and are still pending.

And all that copulation by Turkey on its neighbors, it paid well obviously and it led to the loss of all its European and Middle Eastern possessions in less than a decade. Maybe they should take some viagra and repeat the feat.

Turkey is an ambivalent country, caught between a frayed imperial past, unsure of its place in the present. Until it decides that the past cannot be recreated, that none of its neighbors want to become "neo ottoman" vassals, and it figures that it is nothing more than just another country like all the rest, it will be stagnant. Neither east or west, neither 1st world or developing, neither moslem or secular, with antique minded leaders like Erdo and Davut with their grandiose projects to impress a population that feels insecure about itself.
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Re: Why can't even the eu apply pressure for Turkey to withd

Postby Garavnoss » Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:16 pm

Look around you folks, thousands drowning in the Med, migrants suffering everywhere and the innocents of ALL conflicts paying the price for the aggression of the Western powers.

Turkey is a load of Bollocks, just like the rest of us. 8)
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Re: Why can't even the eu apply pressure for Turkey to withd

Postby miltiades » Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:32 pm

Garavnoss wrote:Look around you folks, thousands drowning in the Med, migrants suffering everywhere and the innocents of ALL conflicts paying the price for the aggression of the Western powers.

Turkey is a load of Bollocks, just like the rest of us. 8)

Still full of shit aren't you, now crawl back into your cave you disgusting bastard, or even better fuck off.
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