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Re: The hope for a better Greece...

Postby DrCyprus » Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:49 pm

kurupetos wrote::lol: Therefore in short you agree with him, doc. :lol:

Immigration must stop because Greeks themselves don't have jobs and have to immigrate abroad under the current eonomic situation.

GD's plan for a self-sufficient economy means more jobs for Greeks in Greece, which is the only choice for the survival of Greece as a nation. I don't think that's even nationalism... it's just a reasonable plan.

And of course you forgot to mention exports to Russia, China, etc. And more importantly oil and gas which is abundant in Greece's EEZ. Greece has the potential to become one of the richest countries in the world.

But this only possible with a national patriotic government, and not Zionist lackeys, like Tsipras, Samaras and Venizelos. :wink:


No, I don't agree with him. I think he has a decent working knowledge of the problems Greece faces, but he offers a very short-sighted and frankly backwards discourse in regards to 'solutions'.

First of all, if a country want to found and run succesful industries they can't pragmatically only rely on the pool of workers a small country like Greece can provide. The ideal future Greek company for me offers employment to people from all over the world whose visions aligns with that of the company and have an inherent thirst to work and grow as humans through this work. My vision of a Greek company of the future employs people of Greek, Serbian, Somalian, Korean, Indian, Ethiopian, Russian e.t.c origin who are willing to settle in Greece have their children receive Greek education and eventually consider themselves as Greek.

Historically, this line of thought goes in line with the Ideals of the Byzantines that have given us amazing people to admire and cherish as part of our culture even when they weren't of Greek origin themselves such as Justinian the Great and Belissarius the emperor and general who gave Rome back to the Byzantines. It also agrees with the work of your beloved Orthodox church, who sent Cyrillus and Methodius, two monks from Thesalloniki, to give much of the Slavic world a writing system and a religion in an effort to have them on our side and possibly assimilate them.

Now, off to the second point. It has been proven time and again that work brings more work by nature. The scarcity of work that exists now in Greece is the product of economic recession but once the Greek economy starts growing the demand for work will naturally grow because hard work brings more hard work and the need for more skilled workers. Your beloved Michaloliakos treats work as some kind of good that suffers from inherent scarcity but this is simply not true. In a healthy economy the more you work the more work becomes available for everyone else.

Last but not least, talking from a genetic point of view there's nothing inherently special about the Greeks of today. Furthermore, pretending to be some kind of pedigree and limiting our gene pool would only weaken Greece as a nation.
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Re: The hope for a better Greece...

Postby Paphitis » Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:21 pm

Immigration does expand the economy and it does grow the economy.

However, the types of migrants going to Greece are not the right kind for that.
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Re: The hope for a better Greece...

Postby DrCyprus » Sat Sep 19, 2015 2:22 pm

Paphitis wrote:Immigration does expand the economy and it does grow the economy.

However, the types of migrants going to Greece are not the right kind for that.


It's because, and it is unfortunate, because Greece is not the right kind of country for this kind of migrants. Greece can work towards filling that role though.
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Re: The hope for a better Greece...

Postby Paphitis » Sat Sep 19, 2015 2:40 pm

DrCyprus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Immigration does expand the economy and it does grow the economy.

However, the types of migrants going to Greece are not the right kind for that.


It's because, and it is unfortunate, because Greece is not the right kind of country for this kind of migrants. Greece can work towards filling that role though.


Yeh why not? Greece will need to improve its economy but could maintain the momentum through some clever and targeted skilled migration.

They all need housing and they are all consumers as well.
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Re: The hope for a better Greece...

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Re: The hope for a better Greece...

Postby yialousa1971 » Sun Sep 20, 2015 7:45 pm

N. G. Michaloliakos: Golden Dawn Will Be The Big Winner of These Elections

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Re: The hope for a better Greece...

Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Sep 21, 2015 9:57 am

Looking at the results it appears that in the past three years that bunch of thugish neo-facsit nazi-loving pansies masquerading as a political party ie Golden Shower, oops I mean Golden Yawn, oops, Golden Dawn, have gone nowhere fast, as they have about the same percentage of the vote and same number of seats as they had after the June 2012 elections, when one might have expected that in the face of the problems and in particular the influx of ( mostly semitic) immigrants they could have been expected to have done much better.

On that basis (that GD are going nowhere fast) there is indeed the hope for a better Greece.
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Re: The hope for a better Greece...

Postby kurupetos » Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:08 pm

Another victory for GD... GD increased their MPs by one, while New Democracy & Syriza lost a few.

Well done, brothers! :mrgreen:
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Re: The hope for a better Greece...

Postby DrCyprus » Wed Sep 23, 2015 3:31 pm

kurupetos wrote:Another victory for GD... GD increased their MPs by one, while New Democracy & Syriza lost a few.

Well done, brothers! :mrgreen:


It must be a result of many young bright Greek minds giving up on Greece and moving to other countries.
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Re: The hope for a better Greece...

Postby supporttheunderdog » Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:33 am

I think Joseph Goebbels would be proud of his protege Kurepetos for his attempt to put a propagandist brave face on what is in fact a very disappointing result for Golden Shower, oops Golden Yawn, oops Golden Dawn, who I would point out, are simply back in the position they were after the June 2012 Elections. They have (about) the same percentage of the vote and the same number of seats. That is however 3 seats less than after the May 2012 Elections. Hardly a Victory when in the face of the Crises (including the immigration issue) one might have expected a bigger gain, if they were truly a popular party. This election was marked by a poor turn out (56% or so compared to 60% earlier) where many stayed away. Clearly they did not find GD attractive and where, had they voted, it is speculative that they would have voted for GD, but likely for other parties pushing down GD's share of votes and seats.
The major victors, if any, are the Union of Centrists who gained an increase of 1.64 % of the vote and 9 new seats, followed by PASOK-DIMAR who had a 1.12% increase in their share of the vote and 4 more seats.
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