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by **Paphitis** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 4:48 pm

BTW, I strongly urge all Syrian Refugees to head for any Western EU Embassy as well as the Embassies of USA, Canada, New Zealand, and Australia and apply for asylum.

It is much better to do this in Turkey rather than risk their lives on the oceans, in the back of trucks, on the rail roads and who knows what else? Just walk in and say I am a Syrian Refugee who use to live here and these are my papers and I seek asylum for myself and my family. They should do it to every single country and a country will take them in. As difficult as it is, a country will come to the party.

by **Maximus** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 4:53 pm

I am under the impression that he is part of a Kurdish family. The family may have lived in Syria but they did not apply for Syrian status. They had no documents. This was probably part of the reason why their application was denied.

Also, Europe is not in close proximity to Syria either, It is actually relatively far away.

Like I said, if you are seeking refuge you go to the nearest country to seek refuge. Which they had in Turkey. You can then apply for assylem from there and go through the appropriate, legal and safe channels to be received in the host country you are applying to.

That link that you have provided states :

The aunt of Alan Kurdi earlier said his family's request for refugee status had been rejected, but later acknowledged it had never been submitted.

and

The Canadian immigration authorities said on Thursday they had no record of receiving an application for refugee status from Alan's father, Abdullah Kurdi.

But Abdullah's brother, Mohammad, did submit an application, though it was rejected for being incomplete, they added.

The statement comes after both a Canadian legislator and Teema Kurdi said on Thursday that Alan's family had submitted an application.

Which is somewhat or very inconsistent.

Also, the aunt also states

"They didn't deserve to die, they didn't. They were going for a better life. That shouldn't have happened. It shouldn't have happened to them," she said at a press conference, before breaking down in tears.

and she is damn right. They should not have got on that boat. They did not need to. Especially without a life jacket. Seriously? a mother and two very young boys crossing the med on an overcrowded inflatable dinggy without life jackets !

Assad did not make them do this and he is not my good mate, so don't turn this in to a debate as such.

by **Paphitis** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 5:10 pm

Maximus wrote:I am under the impression that he is part of a Kurdish family. The family may have lived in Syria but they did not apply for Syrian status. They had no documents. This was probably part of the reason why their application was denied.

Also, Europe is not in close proximity to Syria either, It is actually relatively far away.

Have you ever thought of the possibility that the boy was unable to get Syrian Citizenship Max despite him being born in Syria?

Yes Max, some Sunnis are not even given any legal status at all by the regime because the regime doesn't want these Syrians Max. The regime is only too happy to drop Barrel bombs on them Max or poison them to death with Sarin Gas. No wonder they want to leave Max! I wouldn't stick around, would you?

And no, the only country that stands between Europe and Syrians is Turkey. It's the easiest and most logical thing to attempt to enter Europe via Turkey into the first EU country Greece. But the best thing for all of them is to start knocking on all the embassies in Turkey and Greece.

Maximus wrote:Like I said, if you are seeking refuge you go to the nearest country to seek refuge. Which they had in Turkey. You can then apply for assylem from there and go through the appropriate, legal and safe channels to be received in the host country you are applying to.

Sure Max! They can apply for asylum in Turkey. That's not a problem. I am sure you would welcome them to apply for asylum in any EU country too. Europeans are a very welcoming bunch.

And perhaps Cyprus can make a token gesture too by putting its hand up to take 500 or a 1000 or so. I am so sure every single Cypriot will welcome them into Cyprus. There are 4 million refugees so every country has to come to the table and that includes Cyprus, Greece and Turkey.

Maximus wrote:That link that you have provided states :

The aunt of Alan Kurdi earlier said his family's request for refugee status had been rejected, but later acknowledged it had never been submitted.

and

The Canadian immigration authorities said on Thursday they had no record of receiving an application for refugee status from Alan's father, Abdullah Kurdi.

But Abdullah's brother, Mohammad, did submit an application, though it was rejected for being incomplete, they added.

The statement comes after both a Canadian legislator and Teema Kurdi said on Thursday that Alan's family had submitted an application.

Which is somewhat or very inconsistent.

Well an incomplete application is an incomplete application Max. You can't accept an incomplete application. Look, unfortunately, some countries will not accept someone with incomplete or non existent paperwork. maybe some other countries can be more flexible on such requirements because I know for a fact that Australia and Canada are 2 countries that will not have a bar of this despite the fact that many Sunnis were never able to get any paperwork to begin with.

Maximus wrote:Also, the aunt also states

"They didn't deserve to die, they didn't. They were going for a better life. That shouldn't have happened. It shouldn't have happened to them," she said at a press conference, before breaking down in tears.

and she is damn right. They should not have got on that boat. Especially without a life jacket. Seriously? a mother and two very young boys crossing the med on an inflatable dinggy without life jacket !

Assad did not make them do this and he is not my good mate, so don't turn this in to a debate as such.

Of course the boy didn't deserve to die. Are you crazy?

But people are desperate Max and will take insane risks. They will go from Turkey to Greece and from there to their favoured destination. You can't blame them Max. They don't want to be in Syria under Assad so this Assad guy is not really a cool cat you know!

by **Maximus** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 5:27 pm

Yes, I can in part blame them. They made a very foolish and risky mistake and chose the illegal route.

All these migrants (probably most of them) who are entering Europe are taking the illegal and risky route and they are forcing their way in. Like this family.

Your thread title is : How many of you really care about Syrian Refugees?

1. I care.
2. Not enough when they turn in to (illegal) economic migrants forcing their way through Europe like this.

Because;
1. they are not refugees by this point. They are illegal migrants picking and choosing and overwhelming Europe.
2. They are disregarding Europe and pose a security risk entering in overwhelming numbers and in such a fashion.
3. I would rather help them over there than have them ALL over here where the costs and social implications are much higher.

What are you saying Paphitis? Assad / Gaddaffi / Hussein / Erdogan / and heavens knows how many other madmen exist around the world. They are very very very bad men to parts of their populations.

How many millions of populations are you going to evacuate or welcome and bring to Europe like this? Who is going to pay (price) for that? What is the real (cost) to Europe for this?

What would happen to these migrants if they were trying to get in to Australia like they are doing to Europe?

by **Lordo** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 5:43 pm

Maximus wrote:Yes, I can in part blame them. They made a very foolish and risky mistake and chose the illegal route.

All these migrants (probably most of them) who are entering Europe are taking the illegal and risky route and they are forcing their way in. Like this family.

Your thread title is : How many of you really care about Syrian Refugees?

1. I care.
2. Not enough when they turn in to (illegal) economic migrants forcing their way through Europe like this.

Because;
1. they are not refugees by this point. They are illegal migrants picking and choosing and overwhelming Europe.
2. I would rather help them over there than have them ALL over here.

What are you saying Paphitis? Assad / Gaddaffi / Hussein / Erdogan / and heavens knows how many other madmen exist around the world. They are very very very bad men to parts of their populations.

How many millions of populations are you going to evacuate or welcome and bring to Europe like this? Who is going to pay (price) for that? What is the real (cost) to Europe for this?

What would happen to these migrants if they were trying to get in to Australia like they are doing to Europe?

stop talking out of your arse stupid idiot. they applied to go to canada as refugees and were turned down because yhey did not have a passport. they did not have a passport because assad refuses to give most of the syrian kerdds passports. if a person is unable to have a passport he is stateless you asshole. if a stateless person is not a legal refugee what the hell is. you brain dead son of a bitch.

by **Paphitis** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 5:45 pm

Maximus wrote:Yes, I can in part blame them. They made a very foolish and risky mistake and chose the illegal route.

Well aren't you a very insensitive prick. Turkey can't be expected to take on all 3 million refugees Max and you can't expect them to live in tent cities for years on end.

Maximus wrote:All these migrants (probably most of them) who are entering Europe are taking the illegal and risky route and they are forcing their way in. Like this family.

Sure it's risky at times. But most of them are willing to take their chances. I can't blame them Max. A father and mother wants to give their children a future and some stability.

Maximus wrote:Your thread title is : How many of you really care about Syrian Refugees?

1. I care.
2. Not enough when they turn in to (illegal) economic migrants forcing their way through Europe like this.

No you don't care at all Max. The proof is in your posts.

You don't care at all. To even suggest they are all economic migrants is actually deplorable Max. :roll:

Maximus wrote:Because;
1. they are not refugees by this point. They are illegal migrants picking and choosing and overwhelming Europe.
2. I would rather help them over there than have them ALL over here.

They are fleeing Syria max. And they don't want to stay in Turkey because Turkey simply can't look after all 3 million Max. Germany can't look after them all either but they are taking 180,000.

Maximus wrote:What are saying Paphitis? Assad / Gaddaffi / Hussein / Erdogan / and heavens knows how many other madmen exist around the world. They are very very very bad men to parts of their populations.

I don't know too much about Qaddaffi so I won't comment about him.

But yes, Assad is a bad man and so was Hussein. Anyone who attacks other groups of people with Chemical Weapons is a very bad egg Max. Erdogan, I can say I am no fan of, but he is not in that league Max. Oh sorry, but he is Turkish so he must be bad. Well sorry, it doesn't work like that.

Maximus wrote:How many millions of populations are you going to evacuate or welcome and bring to Europe like this? Who is going to pay (price) for that? What is the real (cost) to Europe for this?

What would happen to this migrants if they were trying to get in to Australia like they are doing to Europe?

Who said they are all going to Europe?

The USA, Australia, NZ, and Canada will take some (upwards towards 300,000 Max) between them. That's about 10%.

I am sure that 25 odd EU countries can also put an even bigger dent into the problem Max. Germany is going to take 180,000.

Maybe Greece can take 5,000 too. Maybe Cyprus can take 1,000. It would all be appreciated mostly by the Syrians who are given sanctuary.

I also have no doubt that Greeks and Cypriots will only be too happy to make this token gesture to humanity.

by **Paphitis** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 5:48 pm

Lordo wrote:
Maximus wrote:Yes, I can in part blame them. They made a very foolish and risky mistake and chose the illegal route.

All these migrants (probably most of them) who are entering Europe are taking the illegal and risky route and they are forcing their way in. Like this family.

Your thread title is : How many of you really care about Syrian Refugees?

1. I care.
2. Not enough when they turn in to (illegal) economic migrants forcing their way through Europe like this.

Because;
1. they are not refugees by this point. They are illegal migrants picking and choosing and overwhelming Europe.
2. I would rather help them over there than have them ALL over here.

What are you saying Paphitis? Assad / Gaddaffi / Hussein / Erdogan / and heavens knows how many other madmen exist around the world. They are very very very bad men to parts of their populations.

How many millions of populations are you going to evacuate or welcome and bring to Europe like this? Who is going to pay (price) for that? What is the real (cost) to Europe for this?

What would happen to these migrants if they were trying to get in to Australia like they are doing to Europe?

stop talking out of your arse stupid idiot. they applied to go to canada as refugees and were turned down because yhey did not have a passport. they did not have a passport because assad refuses to give most of the syrian kerdds passports. if a person is unable to have a passport he is stateless you asshole. if a stateless person is not a legal refugee what the hell is. you brain dead son of a bitch.

I didn't think of the possibility that this family was Kurdish.

But yes you are correct for once. Many Syrians and Kurds are actually stateless.

It doesn't mean no one will take them. It just makes the task a lot more difficult because all countries want to know who they are letting into their country.

It would also make complete sense to me that a Kurdish Family might be eager to leave Turkey too.

by **Maximus** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 5:53 pm

Lordo wrote:
Maximus wrote:Yes, I can in part blame them. They made a very foolish and risky mistake and chose the illegal route.

All these migrants (probably most of them) who are entering Europe are taking the illegal and risky route and they are forcing their way in. Like this family.

Your thread title is : How many of you really care about Syrian Refugees?

1. I care.
2. Not enough when they turn in to (illegal) economic migrants forcing their way through Europe like this.

Because;
1. they are not refugees by this point. They are illegal migrants picking and choosing and overwhelming Europe.
2. I would rather help them over there than have them ALL over here.

What are you saying Paphitis? Assad / Gaddaffi / Hussein / Erdogan / and heavens knows how many other madmen exist around the world. They are very very very bad men to parts of their populations.

How many millions of populations are you going to evacuate or welcome and bring to Europe like this? Who is going to pay (price) for that? What is the real (cost) to Europe for this?

What would happen to these migrants if they were trying to get in to Australia like they are doing to Europe?

stop talking out of your arse stupid idiot. they applied to go to canada as refugees and were turned down because yhey did not have a passport. they did not have a passport because assad refuses to give most of the syrian kerdds passports. if a person is unable to have a passport he is stateless you asshole. if a stateless person is not a legal refugee what the hell is. you brain dead son of a bitch.

If he is Syrian, he is not a stateless person. If he is Kurdish he has either Syrian, Iraqi or Turkish nationality.

They did not have the paper work, you are just speculating that Assad refuses to give them passports. Is it possible?

by **Paphitis** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 5:57 pm

Maximus wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Maximus wrote:Yes, I can in part blame them. They made a very foolish and risky mistake and chose the illegal route.

All these migrants (probably most of them) who are entering Europe are taking the illegal and risky route and they are forcing their way in. Like this family.

Your thread title is : How many of you really care about Syrian Refugees?

1. I care.
2. Not enough when they turn in to (illegal) economic migrants forcing their way through Europe like this.

Because;
1. they are not refugees by this point. They are illegal migrants picking and choosing and overwhelming Europe.
2. I would rather help them over there than have them ALL over here.

What are you saying Paphitis? Assad / Gaddaffi / Hussein / Erdogan / and heavens knows how many other madmen exist around the world. They are very very very bad men to parts of their populations.

How many millions of populations are you going to evacuate or welcome and bring to Europe like this? Who is going to pay (price) for that? What is the real (cost) to Europe for this?

What would happen to these migrants if they were trying to get in to Australia like they are doing to Europe?

stop talking out of your arse stupid idiot. they applied to go to canada as refugees and were turned down because yhey did not have a passport. they did not have a passport because assad refuses to give most of the syrian kerdds passports. if a person is unable to have a passport he is stateless you asshole. if a stateless person is not a legal refugee what the hell is. you brain dead son of a bitch.

If he is Syrian, he is not a stateless person. If he is Kurdish he has either Syrian, Iraqi or Turkish nationality.

They did not have the paper work, you are just speculating that Assad refuses to give them passports. Is it possible?

Oh no you don't Max.

There are many Sunnis who are indeed Stateless as well as the unwanted by the Assad regime Kurds.

Now just think of all the children born in FSA, DAESH or Al Nusra controlled areas. They are Stateless too. And I can completely understand how many would want to flee DAESH controlled Syria.

But not just this Max, but there are many in downtown Damascus who are also Stateless, because they were born Sunni or are considered insurrectionist against the Assad regime, which is why the regime is dropping barrel Bombs and even poisoning entire neighborhoods with Sarin Gas.

Simply put Max, some Syrians don't even exist according to Assad, which means that Assad is NOT their Government. Which is why they all want to kill him. Make sense?

by **Maximus** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 6:04 pm

No it does not make sense, If they are stateless people they could have seek assylem many moons ago, before this trouble and very easily too.

You can go ---- yourself Paphitis by calling me an insesitive prick if you want to twist things like that.

Europe has high unemployment at the moment, people are struggling as it is, countries and people are under Austerity and society is already strained.

Where are these people going to live in Europe? tents or houses? Who is going to pay?

Where are they going to work?