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Re: Turkey' downs Russian jet' ....

Postby Robin Hood » Sun Oct 11, 2015 6:31 am

Paphitis:

Your rabid, paranoid and irrational hatred of Putin and your equally incomprehensible admiration for all thing US/NATO ..... really do make your comments an irrelevance! I always considered you to have a rational and analytical approach to most threads ...... the various threads on Assad/Putin/US/NATO have blown that illusion and it really does make YOU look the dork!

In very simple terms; what Putin is doing in Syria is perfectly legal within International Law; what the US/NATO alliance, along with the participation and support of 60 other nations is doing, is illegal under International Law. It really is a simple as that. :|
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Re: Turkey' downs Russian jet' ....

Postby miltiades » Sun Oct 11, 2015 7:15 am

Al Jazeera has perhaps the widest and most informative news covering the Syrian and ME conflicts.
Wide coverage is being given on the suicide attack in Ankara where 100 or more people were massacred and more than 250 injured.

Not a word of the alleged downing of a Russian fighter plane by Turkey.
Not even speculative .

Those rejoicing at this alleged event will no doubt be disappointed.

I say again that the USA and Russia are colluding with each others blessing.
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Re: Turkey' downs Russian jet' ....

Postby Paphitis » Sun Oct 11, 2015 7:48 am

Robin Hood wrote:Paphitis:

Your rabid, paranoid and irrational hatred of Putin and your equally incomprehensible admiration for all thing US/NATO ..... really do make your comments an irrelevance! I always considered you to have a rational and analytical approach to most threads ...... the various threads on Assad/Putin/US/NATO have blown that illusion and it really does make YOU look the dork!

In very simple terms; what Putin is doing in Syria is perfectly legal within International Law; what the US/NATO alliance, along with the participation and support of 60 other nations is doing, is illegal under International Law. It really is a simple as that. :|


Well isn't that a bit of a grey area now. We have not been operating in Syria. We have been hitting one of the Rebel Groups in areas not controlled by Assad and thus indirectly supporting Assad. We consider that fair game, especially when the Jihadists have threatened us directly.

We don't care whether we have his permission or not. Assad is very lucky we didn't go after him when he was Gassing thousands of Syrians. Very lucky indeed because we were headed that way at one stage.

As for NATO. there are 25 Nations that have signed the Treaty. There are another 3 in ANZUS. All pretty much the same thing, but of course I choose NATO and ANZUS every single time for the following reasons:
1) Both Australia and Greece are signatories and these 2 countries I care about very much,
2) Cyprus should have been a signatory but alas Cypriots have never been the sharpest tools in the shed,
3) I not only consider myself Australian, but a European and an EU citizen, and NATO is also part of the EU (and I generally like all European countries almost as much as Australia, Cyprus and Greece),
4) I would in fact be a dork if I supported Putin in any way shape or form,
5) Putin has been very aggressive towards Ukraine and broken International Law since you mention the legalities,
6) It shot down MH17 without any acknowledgement which would have been something to their credit,
7) they have behaved aggressively against Australia because they sent ships to violate Australian Territorial waters during the time when Australia was hosting the G20 summit,
8. There are many more niggly things about Putin such as his KGB past, his 200 Billion empire as kingpin in Russian crime syndicates, etc etc etc.
9) I generally like the USA far better than Russia. I also generally like Canada much better. Call me biased.

Russia violated Turkish Airspace and paid the price. Russia violated International Law in doing so and paid the price.

Oh, and my feelings about Putin are quite common in the West. They are not irrational. I have my reasons why I dislike him. The mere fact he supports Assad is another factor.
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Re: Turkey' downs Russian jet' ....

Postby miltiades » Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:02 am

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Russia violated Turkish Airspace and paid the price. Russia violated International Law in doing so and paid the price."

What price :lol: :lol:
No Russian aircraft was shot down by Turkey. Get it, you naïve individual !!
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Re: Turkey' downs Russian jet' ....

Postby Paphitis » Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:03 am

miltiades wrote:"
Russia violated Turkish Airspace and paid the price. Russia violated International Law in doing so and paid the price."

What price :lol: :lol:
No Russian aircraft was shot down by Turkey. Get it, you naïve individual !!


We will see about that. I was always predicting that Turkey will do this.

It would be naive to believe they would not!

The next 24 hours will shed a lot of light.

Thing is, I do not believe that Turkey or USA will be jumping up and down in joy if it did happen and I do not believe they will be holding any press conferences about it until they sort themselves out because this would be a very serious matter and not something you would want to create a show over unlike show pony Putin with his megaphone politics.

If it did happen, Russia and USA will be in deep crisis and they are not going to be telling the world about going on a Nuclear Alert or the beginning of war between NATO and Russia because the 2 countries have never been as close to that since the Bay of Pigs.
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Re: Turkey' downs Russian jet' ....

Postby miltiades » Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:19 am

Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:"
Russia violated Turkish Airspace and paid the price. Russia violated International Law in doing so and paid the price."

What price :lol: :lol:
No Russian aircraft was shot down by Turkey. Get it, you naïve individual !!


We will see about that. I was always predicting that Turkey will do this.

It would be naive to believe they would not!

Your prediction was wishful thinking, no news channel has yet to report on the alleged downing. Turkey would not by any stretch of the imagination wish to mess with Russia, or any other nation such as Israel. Cyprus, Yes but not Russia.
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Re: Turkey' downs Russian jet' ....

Postby Paphitis » Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:25 am

miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:"
Russia violated Turkish Airspace and paid the price. Russia violated International Law in doing so and paid the price."

What price :lol: :lol:
No Russian aircraft was shot down by Turkey. Get it, you naïve individual !!


We will see about that. I was always predicting that Turkey will do this.

It would be naive to believe they would not!

Your prediction was wishful thinking, no news channel has yet to report on the alleged downing. Turkey would not by any stretch of the imagination wish to mess with Russia, or any other nation such as Israel. Cyprus, Yes but not Russia.


It's not wishful thinking. Shooting down an aircraft that has locked your own aircraft in your own Airspace is a completely defensive thing to do.

Thing is, I do not believe that Turkey or USA will be jumping up and down in joy if it did happen and I do not believe they will be holding any press conferences about it until they sort themselves out because this would be a very serious matter and not something you would want to create a show over unlike show pony Putin with his megaphone politics.

If it did happen, Russia and USA will be in deep crisis and they are not going to be telling the world about going on a Nuclear Alert or the beginning of war between NATO and Russia because the 2 countries have never been as close to that since the Bay of Pigs.

Both Putin and Obama will be waiting for each other's reaction. But hopefully, they are both on the phone sorting things out. You better hope so if Turkey did shoot the Russian Jet down because that is a completely viable thing to happen under the circumstances and no one can really blame Turkey for doing it.

It's not something any of them will be going to the media about right now.

My prediction is that if it did happen, Russia and USA will be making a joint statement how this incident sparked deep discussions on the sidelines and how everyone has been fantastic in averting anymore undesirable occurrences or incidents which will destabilize the entire region, and possibly the planet.
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Re: Turkey' downs Russian jet' ....

Postby boomerang » Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:29 am

so you are saying we will never know the truth because
1...never happened
2...if it happened they are taking Russian's sensitivity in mind

you know how ridiculous this sounds?...
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Re: Turkey' downs Russian jet' ....

Postby Paphitis » Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:32 am

boomerang wrote:so you are saying we will never know the truth because
1...never happened
2...if it happened they are taking Russian's sensitivity in mind

you know how ridiculous this sounds?...


Yes you will know the truth soon enough, but not right now.

It either happened or it didn't.

If it did happen, there will be some kind of official statement and some other statement which will diffuse things (you better hope so anyway). The way I see it, Russia and USA have never been closer to all out war.

If there is no official word ever, then it didn't happen (most likely).
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Re: Turkey' downs Russian jet' ....

Postby Robin Hood » Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:48 am

Paphitis:
It's not wishful thinking. Shooting down an aircraft that has locked your own aircraft in your own Airspace is a completely defensive thing to do.


UPDATE! Limassol -Approx 0900 hrs.

A jet travelling at high altitude and at high speed on a South to North flight path suddenly went into a 180 Deg LH high rate turn. Turning circle maybe 2-3km. Definitely not a passenger aircraft otherwise they would be wiping the vomit off the walls, ceiling and floor. So the assumption has to be a military aircraft and by its direction of travel, a 'coalition' aircraft?

Given you advisory ...... it looks as if the coalition could be probing the Russian/Syrian defence radar ....... maybe the intruder suddenly found that HE had been locked on? In this case, does your above advisory apply? :roll:
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