erolz66 wrote:GreekIslandGirl wrote: Your attempts to throw in what you've now read do not excuse the fact you ignore the salient points. Read through what I've actually posted and NOT the straw men you have set up along the way and you will see, that given enough time, all things are possible (insect genes in mammals for example); but as human beings, we have found ways to speed up these events that can occur naturally (your failure to accept that genetic engineering is just the fast-track process will not be solved by simple googles, I'm afraid) and that's where we have moved on, from slow breeding (in its many forms) and selecting to genetic engineering (and selecting) - but genetic engineering just speeds things up!
What you actually posted verbatimGreekIslandGirl wrote:whatever can be done by genetic engineering can occur naturally or be carried out via breeding and selection
You can try and deny now that you said this and change what your are NOW saying to avoid having to admit that the last part of the above claims is factually incorrect. There are things like the horizontal transfer of genes across species that can NOT be 'carried out via breeding and selection'.
Where have I tried to deny anything I said? What I am refuting is your copious spin on what I said. I've repeated the same idea consistently, even if not typed out exactly as a mantra each time, but conveying the same meaning. However, you did - substantially - contradict yourself earlier and I pointed out how which is why you're trying to battle on in an effort to find something to hook on me and save face.
After decades and decades of genetic engineering, we still only have a few stable constructs - and even those are usually having to be selected for, constantly - e.g. either with antibiotics or some mutation in the host.
You can stand by your belief (despite mounting evidence against) that there can NEVER be cross species genetic exchange without genetic engineering because you have found the 'spider gene in goat' engineering so mind blowing. But DNA has been interacting with DNA since it first evolved on our planet, billions of years ago, and it's absurd of you to state such puerile things and expect to be taken seriously - but understandable because of your nature.
