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Re: The daftness of the theory of Evolution…

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:56 am

erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote: Your attempts to throw in what you've now read do not excuse the fact you ignore the salient points. Read through what I've actually posted and NOT the straw men you have set up along the way and you will see, that given enough time, all things are possible (insect genes in mammals for example); but as human beings, we have found ways to speed up these events that can occur naturally (your failure to accept that genetic engineering is just the fast-track process will not be solved by simple googles, I'm afraid) and that's where we have moved on, from slow breeding (in its many forms) and selecting to genetic engineering (and selecting) - but genetic engineering just speeds things up!


What you actually posted verbatim

GreekIslandGirl wrote:whatever can be done by genetic engineering can occur naturally or be carried out via breeding and selection


You can try and deny now that you said this and change what your are NOW saying to avoid having to admit that the last part of the above claims is factually incorrect. There are things like the horizontal transfer of genes across species that can NOT be 'carried out via breeding and selection'.


Where have I tried to deny anything I said? What I am refuting is your copious spin on what I said. I've repeated the same idea consistently, even if not typed out exactly as a mantra each time, but conveying the same meaning. However, you did - substantially - contradict yourself earlier and I pointed out how which is why you're trying to battle on in an effort to find something to hook on me and save face.

After decades and decades of genetic engineering, we still only have a few stable constructs - and even those are usually having to be selected for, constantly - e.g. either with antibiotics or some mutation in the host.

You can stand by your belief (despite mounting evidence against) that there can NEVER be cross species genetic exchange without genetic engineering because you have found the 'spider gene in goat' engineering so mind blowing. But DNA has been interacting with DNA since it first evolved on our planet, billions of years ago, and it's absurd of you to state such puerile things and expect to be taken seriously - but understandable because of your nature.
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Re: The daftness of the theory of Evolution…

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:10 pm

erolz66 wrote: ...There are things like the horizontal transfer of genes across species that can NOT be 'carried out via breeding and selection'.


Hello - another daft statement! :P
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Re: The daftness of the theory of Evolution…

Postby erolz66 » Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:18 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote: You can stand by your belief (despite mounting evidence against) that there can NEVER be cross species genetic exchange without genetic engineering because you have found the 'spider gene in goat' engineering so mind blowing. But DNA has been interacting with DNA since it first evolved on our planet, billions of years ago, and it's absurd of you to state such puerile things and expect to be taken seriously - but understandable because of your nature.


No where haver I said that there can never be horizontal transmission of genes across species without genetic manipulation by man. What I have said is that such horizontal transmission of genes across species can not be achieved by man simply by breeding and selection - a claim YOU made and that is not true.
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Re: The daftness of the theory of Evolution…

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Oct 22, 2015 1:23 pm

Keep transposing your words around until you can randomly make some sense. :P
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Re: The daftness of the theory of Evolution…

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:48 pm

I think both erolz66 and GIC would agree with me on this:
That nature is too slow and it could never produce anything very complex other some few micro organisms.
That's as far evolution can go.
However we have life on earth that's infinitely impossible to have been a product of evolution.
And on top of that life we have the humans with their huge gap of intelligence Vs all other life forms.
Something doesn't fit here. :wink:
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Re: The daftness of the theory of Evolution…

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:31 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:I think both erolz66 and GIC would agree with me on this:
That nature is too slow and it could never produce anything very complex other some few micro organisms.
That's as far evolution can go.
However we have life on earth that's infinitely impossible to have been a product of evolution.
And on top of that life we have the humans with their huge gap of intelligence Vs all other life forms.
Something doesn't fit here. :wink:


Nature is slow (don't know about "too slow" as it's not a race or goal-driven) - gradual evolution punctuated by leaps. I believe there's been plenty enough time to get where we are today. It's been a long while since I read him, but Dawkins describes it beautifully - it may take a long time to evolve an eye-lens but once you have that structure that detects shadows or light, then you very quickly can end up with a sophisticated much improved eye just with ongoing slight, additive improvements. Similarly, our increase in brain-power, from that in our clever cousins, was pushed ahead as soon as we walked on two legs and started making tools - plus, the voice box .... and then of course, story telling and .... religion ....
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Re: The daftness of the theory of Evolution…

Postby DrCyprus » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:40 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:... and then of course, story telling and religion


Religion does seem like a fairy tale taken too far.
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Re: The daftness of the theory of Evolution…

Postby kurupetos » Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:48 pm

DrCyprus wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:... and then of course, story telling and religion


Religion does seem like a fairy tale taken too far.

Sure... but Christianity is not a religion. :wink:
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Re: The daftness of the theory of Evolution…

Postby DrCyprus » Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:27 pm

kurupetos wrote:My posts are single sentences with no content. :wink:


ok.
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Re: The daftness of the theory of Evolution…

Postby kurupetos » Tue Oct 27, 2015 6:10 pm

DrCyprus wrote:
kurupetos wrote:My posts are single sentences with no content. :wink:


ok.

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