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Re: Merkel ready to push Turkey EU accession

Postby Sotos » Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:08 pm

observer wrote:I agree and am very happy that Turkey will not be tied to the dead horse that is the EU.

I just thought that you would like to see how unimportant Cyprus and its problem is in the real world compared with the importance of Turkey. That's likely to remain the case in the future despite all the comments of puffed up GC politicians who think Cyprus is the centre of the universe. So don't expect any real help from the EU or the UN in removing Turkey from the North. Sad but true.


Cyprus has less than a million people so our per capita importance is far greater than that of Turks. In short, what I believe matters more than what you believe. And if we interpolate that for GCs and TCs, the GCs have an importance which is far greater than their size would suggest, while the TCs have lesser importance even for their size, since they don't even have a say in choosing those who rule them (Turkish parties)... even the people of the most tiny democratic country get at least that.
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Re: Merkel ready to push Turkey EU accession

Postby umit07 » Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:18 pm

Sotos wrote:
observer wrote:I agree and am very happy that Turkey will not be tied to the dead horse that is the EU.

I just thought that you would like to see how unimportant Cyprus and its problem is in the real world compared with the importance of Turkey. That's likely to remain the case in the future despite all the comments of puffed up GC politicians who think Cyprus is the centre of the universe. So don't expect any real help from the EU or the UN in removing Turkey from the North. Sad but true.


Cyprus has less than a million people so our per capita importance is far greater than that of Turks. In short, what I believe matters more than what you believe. And if we interpolate that for GCs and TCs, the GCs have an importance which is far greater than their size would suggest, while the TCs have lesser importance even for their size, since they don't even have a say in choosing those who rule them (Turkish parties)... even the people of the most tiny democratic country get at least that.


Your "per captita importance" as you put is Sotos is minuscule. You are no Israel.
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Re: Merkel ready to push Turkey EU accession

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:57 pm

observer wrote:I agree and am very happy that Turkey will not be tied to the dead horse that is the EU.

I just thought that you would like to see how unimportant Cyprus and its problem is in the real world compared with the importance of Turkey. That's likely to remain the case in the future despite all the comments of puffed up GC politicians who think Cyprus is the centre of the universe. So don't expect any real help from the EU or the UN in removing Turkey from the North. Sad but true.


True.
However are you with us or against us in "removing Turkey from the North"??
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Re: Merkel ready to push Turkey EU accession

Postby Get Real! » Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:04 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
observer wrote:I agree and am very happy that Turkey will not be tied to the dead horse that is the EU.

I just thought that you would like to see how unimportant Cyprus and its problem is in the real world compared with the importance of Turkey. That's likely to remain the case in the future despite all the comments of puffed up GC politicians who think Cyprus is the centre of the universe. So don't expect any real help from the EU or the UN in removing Turkey from the North. Sad but true.


True.
However are you with us or against us in "removing Turkey from the North"??

Keep dreaming... once a Turk always a Turk.
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Re: Merkel ready to push Turkey EU accession

Postby Get Real! » Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:11 pm

You may now close this thread Observer... :lol:

Cyprus says cannot lift veto on Turkey's EU talks
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/ ... TH20151019
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Re: Merkel ready to push Turkey EU accession

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:13 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
observer wrote:I agree and am very happy that Turkey will not be tied to the dead horse that is the EU.

I just thought that you would like to see how unimportant Cyprus and its problem is in the real world compared with the importance of Turkey. That's likely to remain the case in the future despite all the comments of puffed up GC politicians who think Cyprus is the centre of the universe. So don't expect any real help from the EU or the UN in removing Turkey from the North. Sad but true.


True.
However are you with us or against us in "removing Turkey from the North"??

Keep dreaming... once a Turk always a Turk.



...i would have liked to hear observerer's answer to Pyrpolizer, but now i fear it will be tainted with the baiting.

...once a Greek always a Greek, you say GR? Depends on how one defines "Greek", doesn't it?
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Re: Merkel ready to push Turkey EU accession

Postby B25 » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:56 pm

I am guessing that this Observer poster is not actually a Turd (oops Turk), but a scumbag carpet bagger looking to secure its illegal ill gotten investment.

Time will tell.
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Re: Merkel ready to push Turkey EU accession

Postby DrCyprus » Mon Oct 19, 2015 6:08 pm

B25 wrote:I am guessing that this Observer poster is not actually a Turd (oops Turk), but a scumbag carpet bagger looking to secure its illegal ill gotten investment.

Time will tell.


You can see the bitterness dripping from his teeth like poison with every post.
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Re: Merkel ready to push Turkey EU accession

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:27 pm

...it is a construct of conversation, people get used to making one line slurs, people gets used to expressing themselves as a "onething" or "another".
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Re: Merkel ready to push Turkey EU accession

Postby observer » Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:50 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
observer wrote:I agree and am very happy that Turkey will not be tied to the dead horse that is the EU.

I just thought that you would like to see how unimportant Cyprus and its problem is in the real world compared with the importance of Turkey. That's likely to remain the case in the future despite all the comments of puffed up GC politicians who think Cyprus is the centre of the universe. So don't expect any real help from the EU or the UN in removing Turkey from the North. Sad but true.


True.
However are you with us or against us in "removing Turkey from the North"??

Keep dreaming... once a Turk always a Turk.


...i would have liked to hear observerer's answer to Pyrpolizer, but now i fear it will be tainted with the baiting.

...once a Greek always a Greek, you say GR? Depends on how one defines "Greek", doesn't it?


Sorry not to have replied earlier, but I do have a life to live.

Like most Cypriots, I would like all foreign troops removed from the island. I started this thread with my tongue slightly in my cheek to indicate that real-politik will always come first. Mekel is doing her job, looking after Germany's interests as she sees it. Erdogan is looking after Turkey's interests as he sees it. Too many Cypriot politicians only look after their own interests. This is extra true for the GC super-patriots who take every opportunity to slam Turkey, making sure that there will never be a solution.

For GCs, Turkey is not their enemy but time. The 'embargo' is now a farce (pseudo embargo?) and only seems to affect sport teams. Whatever GCs may believe, life in TRNC is improving year by year. I'm sure that they can troll the net and come up with examples of things that are not right, and I could do the same for them, but what's the point? After 40+ or 50+ years - take your pick - the situation is becoming increasingly accepted as normal by the outside world. The UN, EU or whoever is not going to take up the GCs cause beyond words just because they consider themselves "legal" and the government in the North "illegal".

GCs had their chance in 2004 and blew it. I hope that the current talks reach a point where we can have another referendum, where both sides can vote 'yes' because it is acceptable, not vote 'no' because it's not perfect. When I was little I was told the story of the North Wind and the Sun. It's one of Aesop's Fables and as he was Greek I'm sure that GCs will know it, but just in case it's here : http://www.umass.edu/aesop/content.php?n=31&i=1

Finally, I never believed that Turkey stood a much better chance of joining the EU after Merkel and Erdogan talked than it did before. Having observed what has happened to countries on the outskirts of the EU - Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece, RoC - I think staying out of the EU is the best thing Turkey could do.
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