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Re: another excellent article by rolandis

Postby Oceanside50 » Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:13 pm

Nikitas wrote:

The appeal to the EU court is not regulated locally. The EU court is the only competent one to rule on its jurisdiction, ie whether to hear a case or not. We assume that the challenges will come from Cypriots who go through local courts. There may be challenges from non Cypriots to the derogations.


How does the Eu court system operate? Can a case be directly taken to the EU system or does it first have to go through the local system?

The annan plan stated that a case could not go above the Tc supreme court or the local court would basically need to review the case and decide whether or not to send it to a higher court. If a Brit, for instance, filed a case and lost in the local courts, would that case stay in the lower courts because of the restrictions or could she as a Brit citizen move it higher?...

After segregation ended in the USA, some in the south skirted the law by privatizing country clubs and schools. These private institutions were allowed to discriminate against blacks, kind of like someone coming to your private house and you asking them to leave because they were black. From what i hear, the pseudo state has nationalized/privatized all the territory, meaning since all land belongs to the state, the state has the last word on who uses it.


Benny Hill couldn't be funnier then what is being proposed. The Turks and Tc with their oriental backwardness, are just not ready to be in the European Union, that may be the main culprit in all this
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Re: another excellent article by rolandis

Postby DrCyprus » Sat Oct 24, 2015 10:24 pm

It's not ''oriental backwardness'.

It's a set of clearly calculated apartheid laws that will ensure the legitimisation of a Turkish state reserved for Turks on Cypriot land. At some point they will of course have a huge referendum where they will 'decide' to be annexed to Turkey. Just like the former Iskenderun region (now Hatay) of Syria which is now part of Turkey.

What we need is a solution that allows Turkish and Greek speaking Cypriots to move wherever they want and lead their lives in whatever the fuck place in Cyprus they want. Ideally, we would move some of the Turkish Cypriots back to Paphos and get some Greek Cypriots back to Kyreneia.
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Re: another excellent article by rolandis

Postby Nikitas » Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:37 am

Ocean,

The norm is for an applicant to exhaust local remedies before appealing to the EU court, this is similar to the ECHR process. But, there are occasions when the court hears cases without exhausting local remedies and it also acts as a court of first instance when the Commission moves against a state.

If an EU citizen, non Cypriot, decides to sue Cyprus as a whole for refusing him access, presumably he will move in the EU court, there being no sense in applying for a local remedy.

These negotiations are, as all negotiations in the past, a little surreal. It is obvious that the TCs are walking a tightrope, trying to please Turkey but also trying to safeguard themselves against Turkey. I cannot see any TC politician wanting to the TC community to disappear and be absorbed into Turkish society. Without the "otherness", the C in TC, they would be nothing in a society of 70 million and the TC politicians would have no career.

I wonder how many times the TC negotiators have asked the GC counterparts to draw red lines on issues that they, the TCs, do not dare raise lest they anger their "motherland". The private conversations at these talks must be fascinating.

In that light I think the separate majorities idea bears multiple interpretations: it could mean Turks uber alles, or TCs against Turks, or TC worried about an influx of Greeks in the south, or GCs moving north, or even an influx of other Christian EU citizens moving in. The creation of a Russian, Orthodox, suburb in Limassol is a precedent they cannot ignore. They might even be worried about TCs buggering off and moving south leaving them with an empty can. In other words it is a process of keeping people in, as well as keeping them out.

It will be really amusing in case of a natural move of people to the cities, which are almost all in the south, to see how they will move legally to stop such a trend.

Don't forget that tax revenues are where the earnings and the consumption happens. Fortunes are made in cities, not villages, no matter how much water there might be. Edessa in Greece is famous for its waterfalls, but most Edessiotes live in Athens or Thessaloniki.
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Re: another excellent article by rolandis

Postby Lordo » Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:42 pm

another excellent article by loucas charalambos today. interesting that it is anastasiades who should be asking for permanent derogation ready for when terggy joins the eu.

http://cyprus-mail.com/2015/10/25/clumsy-anastasiades-focusing-on-re-election/
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Re: another excellent article by rolandis

Postby Get Real! » Sun Oct 25, 2015 2:04 pm

Lordo wrote:another excellent article by loucas charalambos today. interesting that it is anastasiades who should be asking for permanent derogation ready for when terggy joins the eu.

Quit wasting our time with Ankara’s propaganda outlet.

Those genuinely interested in what the RoC has to say should only read here…

http://www.cna.org.cy/default.asp?id=24
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Re: another excellent article by rolandis

Postby Lordo » Sun Oct 25, 2015 4:26 pm

the question is very simple at some point the terggs will join the eu, if you believe that that will never happen either its wishful thinking or you are too simple. if the bulgarians can join so will the terggs sooner or later. will you or will you not be asking for permanent derogation to stop the terggs flooding the south.
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Re: another excellent article by rolandis

Postby Get Real! » Sun Oct 25, 2015 4:50 pm

Lordo wrote:the question is very simple at some point the terggs will join the eu, if you believe that that will never happen either its wishful thinking or you are too simple. if the bulgarians can join so will the terggs sooner or later. will you or will you not be asking for permanent derogation to stop the terggs flooding the south.

:roll: Not only will Turkey never join the EU but Turkey will most likely turn into a Syria.

The game changer is Russia’s takeover of the ME and you’d better believe it…

Just to give you a small idea for now… Turkish warships can no longer sail down the eastern side of Cyprus anymore without Russian permission and this is only the beginning. Russian radar/jamming does not permit it.

As an example, all Cyprus has to do say a year from now when the Syrian dust settles, is grant Russia military bases in the occupied territory and Turkey will have no choice whatsoever but move aside to accommodate them!
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Re: another excellent article by rolandis

Postby Lordo » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:57 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Lordo wrote:the question is very simple at some point the terggs will join the eu, if you believe that that will never happen either its wishful thinking or you are too simple. if the bulgarians can join so will the terggs sooner or later. will you or will you not be asking for permanent derogation to stop the terggs flooding the south.

:roll: Not only will Turkey never join the EU but Turkey will most likely turn into a Syria.

The game changer is Russia’s takeover of the ME and you’d better believe it…

Just to give you a small idea for now… Turkish warships can no longer sail down the eastern side of Cyprus anymore without Russian permission and this is only the beginning. Russian radar/jamming does not permit it.

As an example, all Cyprus has to do say a year from now when the Syrian dust settles, is grant Russia military bases in the occupied territory and Turkey will have no choice whatsoever but move aside to accommodate them!

stop it i split my sides laughing. you seem to thionk for some resoan russia holds you higher regards that terggy. i got news for you russia will do nothing to jepordise their relationship with terggy. as to power in the middle east i am afraid they some time to catch up wit the yanks the israelis and terggs.
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Re: another excellent article by rolandis

Postby Get Real! » Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:15 pm

Lordo wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Lordo wrote:the question is very simple at some point the terggs will join the eu, if you believe that that will never happen either its wishful thinking or you are too simple. if the bulgarians can join so will the terggs sooner or later. will you or will you not be asking for permanent derogation to stop the terggs flooding the south.

:roll: Not only will Turkey never join the EU but Turkey will most likely turn into a Syria.

The game changer is Russia’s takeover of the ME and you’d better believe it…

Just to give you a small idea for now… Turkish warships can no longer sail down the eastern side of Cyprus anymore without Russian permission and this is only the beginning. Russian radar/jamming does not permit it.

As an example, all Cyprus has to do say a year from now when the Syrian dust settles, is grant Russia military bases in the occupied territory and Turkey will have no choice whatsoever but move aside to accommodate them!

stop it i split my sides laughing. you seem to thionk for some resoan russia holds you higher regards that terggy. i got news for you russia will do nothing to jepordise their relationship with terggy. as to power in the middle east i am afraid they some time to catch up wit the yanks the israelis and terggs.

Sas don kolon sou tzie irtassin i Rossi... tzie to begnidin eteliosen! :wink:
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Re: another excellent article by rolandis

Postby Lordo » Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:34 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Lordo wrote:the question is very simple at some point the terggs will join the eu, if you believe that that will never happen either its wishful thinking or you are too simple. if the bulgarians can join so will the terggs sooner or later. will you or will you not be asking for permanent derogation to stop the terggs flooding the south.

:roll: Not only will Turkey never join the EU but Turkey will most likely turn into a Syria.

The game changer is Russia’s takeover of the ME and you’d better believe it…

Just to give you a small idea for now… Turkish warships can no longer sail down the eastern side of Cyprus anymore without Russian permission and this is only the beginning. Russian radar/jamming does not permit it.

As an example, all Cyprus has to do say a year from now when the Syrian dust settles, is grant Russia military bases in the occupied territory and Turkey will have no choice whatsoever but move aside to accommodate them!

stop it i split my sides laughing. you seem to thionk for some resoan russia holds you higher regards that terggy. i got news for you russia will do nothing to jepordise their relationship with terggy. as to power in the middle east i am afraid they some time to catch up wit the yanks the israelis and terggs.

Sas don kolon sou tzie irtassin i Rossi...
tzie to begnidin eteliosen! :wink:

en onussu dje ksigollisen.

if you think the russians will be allowed to march into the med with the yanks like to play with their toys. having a base in syria is one thing controlling the med region is another. you really have not learned a thing from the last 60 years. you can only depend on yourself nobody else.
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