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Re: another excellent article by rolandis

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:21 pm

Lordo wrote: The Secretary General of the United Nations Boutros Boutros Ghali by his Report to the Security Council dated the 8th March 1990, document S/21183, Annex 1 describes bizonality as follows: "Bizonality should be clearly brought out by the fact that each federated state will be administered by one community which will be firmly guaranteed a clear majority of the population and of the land ownership in its area".


First of all Annex 1 was his speech to the leaders when he came to Cyprus in 26 February 1990.Those statements were made on the assumption the TC Fed State would be more or less 18% and that's how the "guaranteed' term came out. For your information Denktash himself rejected many parts of his speech. Nothing was agreed between the leaders on the content of BBF.
There are numerous reports by the SG to the Security Council, and the SC always issues an announcement that it supports SG's efforts.
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Re: another excellent article by rolandis

Postby Lordo » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:32 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote: The Secretary General of the United Nations Boutros Boutros Ghali by his Report to the Security Council dated the 8th March 1990, document S/21183, Annex 1 describes bizonality as follows: "Bizonality should be clearly brought out by the fact that each federated state will be administered by one community which will be firmly guaranteed a clear majority of the population and of the land ownership in its area".


First of all Annex 1 was his speech to the leaders when he came to Cyprus in 26 February 1990.Those statements were made on the assumption the TC Fed State would be more or less 18% and that's how the "guaranteed' term came out. For your information Denktash himself rejected many parts of his speech. Nothing was agreed between the leaders on the content of BBF.
There are numerous reports by the SG to the Security Council, and the SC always issues an announcement that it supports SG's efforts.

be kind as to tell us in annex 1 which page and which para has such assumptions. you really have to stop making it up as you go along. i am keen on fairness and a fair exchange is only fair. how can fair not fair. now be fair will ya. follow socrates.
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Re: another excellent article by rolandis

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:33 pm

Lordo wrote:
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Lordo wrote: The Secretary General of the United Nations Boutros Boutros Ghali by his Report to the Security Council dated the 8th March 1990, document S/21183, Annex 1 describes bizonality as follows: "Bizonality should be clearly brought out by the fact that each federated state will be administered by one community which will be firmly guaranteed a clear majority of the population and of the land ownership in its area".


First of all Annex 1 was his speech to the leaders when he came to Cyprus in 26 February 1990.Those statements were made on the assumption the TC Fed State would be more or less 18% and that's how the "guaranteed' term came out. For your information Denktash himself rejected many parts of his speech. Nothing was agreed between the leaders on the content of BBF.
There are numerous reports by the SG to the Security Council, and the SC always issues an announcement that it supports SG's efforts.

be kind as to tell us in annex 1 which page and which para has such assumptions. you really have to stop making it up as you go along. i am keen on fairness and a fair exchange is only fair. how can fair not fair. now be fair will ya. follow socrates.


Like I said that was just a speech. In his report he says the 3 freedoms would also be guaranteed. He never explained how. Don't you see the contradiction?? Perhaps the Gcs thought it would be close to 18% and didn't want to argue with him. At that time the main difficulty was Dentash who wanted 2 separate states.
Besides how about the numerous UN resolutions. Has anyone been implemented?
Rolandis should have clarified that whatever false ideas the UN representatives in Cyprus or the UN SG formed over the years for the content of a solution are NOT binding. What if he attached his speech to his report and the SC urged him to continue his efforts?
Is what he said binding?
That's simply misinformation from Rolandis point of view.
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Re: another excellent article by rolandis

Postby Lordo » Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:00 am

1 donum of limasol land is not the same as one donum of karpaz land. fair exchange kochan for kocan value value for value plus any gcs who will to move north minus any tcs who wish to stay south exchanged will determine the size of tc state in the north which will give tcs majority to be able to achieve the political equality stipulated in the feb 14 agreement signed. you back out of that agreement signed and you will finally save the tcs.

rolandis does not do misinformation, he says it how it so does sener levent. and yet you sener levent as a hero and rolandis as a traitor. that firmly puts you in the camp of fascists.
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Re: another excellent article by rolandis

Postby DrCyprus » Tue Oct 27, 2015 9:12 am

Lordo wrote:rolandis does not do misinformation, he says it how it so does sener levent. and yet you sener levent as a hero and rolandis as a traitor. that firmly puts you in the camp of fascists.


Sener Levent: Turkey is a force occupying Turkish Cypriots.

Rolandis: We should have given in to Turkey's demands years ago.

I don't see how what Sener Levent says is compatible to Rolandis' pessimism.
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Re: another excellent article by rolandis

Postby kurupetos » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:37 pm

DrCyprus wrote:
Lordo wrote:rolandis does not do misinformation, he says it how it so does sener levent. and yet you sener levent as a hero and rolandis as a traitor. that firmly puts you in the camp of fascists.


Sener Levent: Turkey is a force occupying Turkish Cypriots.

Rolandis: We should have given in to Turkey's demands years ago.

I don't see how what Sener Levent says is compatible to Rolandis' pessimism.

Rolandis gets a fat pay check every month for being a filthy traitor. He can go to hell.
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Re: another excellent article by rolandis

Postby kurupetos » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:38 pm

Lordo wrote:1 donum of limasol land is not the same as one donum of karpaz land. fair exchange kochan for kocan value value for value plus any gcs who will to move north minus any tcs who wish to stay south exchanged will determine the size of tc state in the north which will give tcs majority to be able to achieve the political equality stipulated in the feb 14 agreement signed. you back out of that agreement signed and you will finally save the tcs.

rolandis does not do misinformation, he says it how it so does sener levent. and yet you sener levent as a hero and rolandis as a traitor. that firmly puts you in the camp of fascists.

Not interested. :P I want my land back, vromoshillemu. :wink:
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Re: another excellent article by rolandis

Postby Lordo » Wed Oct 28, 2015 5:46 pm

i am afraid you may have to exchange or sell.
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Re: another excellent article by rolandis

Postby Nikitas » Wed Oct 28, 2015 10:34 pm

There is an assumption that the TCs will want to sell or exchange their land in the south to such an extent that there will be enough to offer the GC owners in exchange for land in the north. What if there are not enough TC takers? How do you force them to sell or exchange? Especially since they agreed that the original owners are the starting point in this process?
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Re: another excellent article by rolandis

Postby Lordo » Wed Oct 28, 2015 10:57 pm

most tcs have already exchanged their land and their deeds are with the trnc government. anybody who does not wish to exchange can hand back the land they exchanged and claim their original land in the south back. in al my years i have come across two tcs that have done that. as they have already signed a contract to exchange it will naturally involve a court case to reclaim their original land back.
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