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Re: another excellent article by rolandis

Postby Lordo » Sun Nov 01, 2015 1:40 pm

what the kurds need is a bbf system. now thats what i call equality. trying to separate terggy to two states will be too painful. as there is no division, bbf applied to the set up as they are is the best way forward. we could have had this in 1972 but peace was far from your minds at this point. we could have had it in 77 with very few settlers in cyprus and again peace was far from your minds.

but id the kerds are given the choice and they decide to suffer the pain of division they are welcome to it. but i suspect the kerds outside of the region would not vote for it and the union will remain. by all means terggy should give the kerds a chance to vote on their future and respect their decision.
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Re: another excellent article by rolandis

Postby insan » Sun Nov 01, 2015 6:46 pm

DrCyprus wrote:Just to undernote, the original Turks who came from western Asia were a minority of skillful warriors and continued to be a minority throughout the lifeline of the Seljuks and the Ottomans. In the early days you could mostly find pure Turks leading armies to battle and in the late days you could find them doing mostly administrative work. There are still people with deep Turkish features anywhere from Eastern Anatolia to Syria to Cyprus and Greece and Romania. This doesn't play any role whatsoever.

The modern Turkish nation is a construct of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, who used the means of his time to bring all the Muslim people who lived in Asia Minor together under one flag. Everyone viewed as a threat suffered genocide and expulsion, everyone Muslim had his ancestry high-jacked and was called a Turk. Atatürk created a whole mythology to support the claims of his nation to Anatolia, and that was served to people like Insan as "history".

Hittites were absorbed into Assyrians, Armenians etc since 800BC. The fun fact of the day is that the Armenians were in Eastern Anatolia from the beginning of the Hittite civilization and saw it to it's end.



Who are the ancestors of Kurds in this map reh vordos?

http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/kurds.html



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Re: another excellent article by rolandis

Postby Oceanside50 » Sun Nov 01, 2015 7:23 pm

insan wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
insan wrote:We ccan have an equal political power on all vital issues that directly related about TCs situation in Cyprus... a legal political power that can only be used on all vital issues... what's wrong with it... it provides protection againts and possible ill intention of GC ruling elite...

No you can't… for exactly the same reasons the Kurds in Turkey are not a "equal political power".



Every country has it's own historical development regarding the power sharing and so far the Kurds in Turkey haven't demanded such a power sharing... so let's stick with only ours under this thread...


Individual rights are guaranteed under the EU' primary Law..there's no need for trying to control the elites... The elites will do what they want as always, Gc/Tc... Or a combo of GcxTc..
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Re: another excellent article by rolandis

Postby Lordo » Sun Nov 01, 2015 7:42 pm

is not taking any action what so ever when a person admits to murder also guaranteed under the eu primary law
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Re: another excellent article by rolandis

Postby DrCyprus » Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:53 pm

insan wrote:
Who are the ancestors of Kurds in this map reh vordos?

http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/kurds.html



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You link to Khazaria, a website that refutes all the claims you make about the Kurds.

Here is the link to the site where you got your "map". :lol: :lol:
http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ ... _Turkey_2a

Insan, could you please give us more information about the Turks living in Asia minor before the 11th century AD? Could you also give us more information on how Turks have been living in Asia minor since prehistoric times and have always claimed it as their homeland?
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Re: another excellent article by rolandis

Postby Oceanside50 » Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:10 pm

Lordo wrote:is not taking any action what so ever when a person admits to murder also guaranteed under the eu primary law



it should be...
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Re: another excellent article by rolandis

Postby B25 » Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:27 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:
Lordo wrote:is not taking any action what so ever when a person admits to murder also guaranteed under the eu primary law



it should be...


A turkish minister on video murdering Solomou should be in jail, but he continues to stand by your dictators side. People in glass houses should not throw stones.
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Re: another excellent article by rolandis

Postby Lordo » Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:36 pm

so what oceanside is saying that it should be a right to admit muder and no action should be taken. excellent. we shall inherit that in the north.

so b25 are you saying that trnc and roc are the same and can be compared. is trnc a legally recognised country member of the un and eu. what kind of a asshole are you stupid idiot. demented brain dead idiot.
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Re: another excellent article by rolandis

Postby Nikitas » Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:10 pm

Lordo said:

"perhaps you can explain to me how we can have equal political power between the communities under bbf if tcs are not majority in the north."

So the agreement says TCs should be a majority in the north. In that TC majority there will be a politically crucial number of settlers. Akkintzi made that clear two weeks ago. Professor Kizilyurek also noted that the number of settler voters is rapidly increasing and soon will ountumber the TC voters. No one has explained why the location of the community affects its political equality.

You did not understand the point I made. So here it is again. The genuine TCs find themelves in a situation where they are a minority both in the north and the south. Outnumbered and outvoted in the north by settlers, outnumbered and voteless in the south. Their choice of residence ceases to be a political issue and is judged solely by economic criteria. Akkintzi can see this possibility and wants to prevent it by a rule that will keep the TCs in the north. And this is the reason I asked who initiates action to enforce the separate majorities. We assume that it will always be the region that "suffers" an influx.So what happens if for instance the GC side has no problem receiving more TCs than the quota? Most likely the TC region will raise the issue and demand that the GC administration put a stop to it. For the simple reason that any kind of entity needs population to exist. It would be ironic but not improbable to have TC politicians campaigning among TCs in Limassol for electoral seats in Kyrenia, since political rights will be locally as well as ethnically arranged.

The common GC take is that this majority thing is a ploy to exclude GCs from the north. My interpretation differs. My opinion is that most Cypriots would rather live in the south because it will be the truly Cypriot part.
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Re: another excellent article by rolandis

Postby insan » Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:49 pm

DrCyprus wrote:
insan wrote:
Who are the ancestors of Kurds in this map reh vordos?

http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/kurds.html



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You link to Khazaria, a website that refutes all the claims you make about the Kurds.

Here is the link to the site where you got your "map". :lol: :lol:
http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ ... _Turkey_2a

Insan, could you please give us more information about the Turks living in Asia minor before the 11th century AD? Could you also give us more information on how Turks have been living in Asia minor since prehistoric times and have always claimed it as their homeland?



Where were the Kurds before the 11th century? Turks in modern day Turkey are the mixture of Turks from Central Asia and other indigenous people of that region... no Kurds existed in Asia minor when Seljuk Turks arrived there.. Check DNA of the Iranian people of Kurds... they have no affinity with the indigenous peoples of Asia Minor...

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http://www.worldology.com/Iraq/turk_mongol_rule.htm


...and check the above link to see where the Kurds were, when Seljuks were already in Mesopotamia...
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