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Re: America’s farewell and the opportunity of others…

Postby Paphitis » Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:04 am

Robin Hood wrote:Paphitis:

You rhetoric remains me of the 'gung-ho' attitude of the US when they went into Vietnam! It would all be over in a matter of weeks as they chased a rag-tag army of peasants with pitchforks back into the jungle. Some 7 years later the 'peasants' wopped the US's arse and sent them running for their lives. The mighty US war machine was defeated! Going on memory it cost the US ~75 thousand lives, the Vietnamese around 3m and goodness knows how many millions when you include Laos and Cambodia ......... who just happened to be collateral damage? The devastation caused by the US with their chemical weapons and cluster bombs (Bombies) are still killing and maiming today in all three countries.

This conflict in Syria would have gone the same way as Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya etc. had the Russians not intervened and showed simple common sense. Use the regime to defeat the terrorists and then deal with the regime. As Putin keeps saying .... over and over again ..... the decision as to who rules Syria is a decision for the Syrian people and nobody else. I am afraid the war mongering 'coalition' just don't get the picture. the US and its allies should never have interfered in Syria in the first place. :x


there is no gun-ho attitude coming from the USA. In fact quite the opposite.

The USA and its coalition partners have been saying from day 1 that this war is a long term one, and that their Airpower alone will NOT be enough to defeat DAESH which is why we have a long term conservative strategy to train and develop Iraq's Military who we hope will do the heavy lifting and are doing just that as I write this.

The gun-ho attitude comes from yourself, Get Real, Kurupetos and YiaLoser who seem to think they will have some kind of WW3 against the USA and its coalition allies and that the Axis of Russia/Syria/China/Iran will defeat and destroy the USA and its allies. You couldn't get anymore ridiculous I am afraid.

The fact is, the USA is by far the largest superpower, but at the same time, we are not having a WW3 unless Pootin starts it. Secondly, Pootin's gun-ho attitude in Syria will hit a brick wall very soon, and the reality will hit home. Then you will need to decide what happens next if you don't want to get bogged down in Syria.

As for me, I believe it is a foregone conclusion. Assad has no place to go, and the Coalition has all the bargaining chips but Ukraine is not on the table.

So let us know when Pootin finishes his gun-ho display so we can talk about Syria's transition and Assad's war crimes.
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Re: America’s farewell and the opportunity of others…

Postby Paphitis » Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:05 am

Get Real! wrote:Nice pictures Paphiti... now here's the real story and nobody seems to be agreeing with you:




I don't read any of your links. Why would I read your cut and past propaganda sources about Chinese troops deploying to Syria? :lol: :lol: :lol:

All I know is America's capability and it is huge. Far greater than anything else on the planet.

But don't hold your breath because Russia will never get a piece of it. The US and coalition are far too smart.

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But if you do want a piece of it, all you have to do is attack the US Military in Syria. I don't think Russia has the balls.

BTW, that Aircraft Carrier is not an Aircraft Carrier. It's a Wasp Class heavy Amphibious LHD. But it can take Harrier Jets. And we all know what they can do against French Mirage and Russian Bombers. :mrgreen:

Russia has made sure of the fact that Syria will be another Afghanistan for them. When that reality hits home, then all Pootin can do is beg for a Political Solution.
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Re: America’s farewell and the opportunity of others…

Postby Robin Hood » Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:06 pm

Paphitis:
The USA and its coalition partners have been saying from day 1 that this war is a long term one, and that their Airpower alone will NOT be enough to defeat DAESH which is why we have a long term conservative strategy to train and develop Iraq's Military who we hope will do the heavy lifting and are doing just that as I write this.


But the US has tried this process of arming these foreign militaries and freedom fighters in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and now Syria and it has failed every time creating a whole lot of chaos. It won't work this time either!

The ONLY solution is to stop the fighting and this means 'removing' anyone that is fighting the elected government. To give Assad his dues, he has offered an amnesty to all the FSA deserters providing they have not committed other crimes. The same does not and should not apply to foreign mercenaries. Once the fighting has stopped UN forces could move into the country to keep the peace to allow free elections and .... as Putin keeps saying ..... let the Syrian people decide. :x
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Re: America’s farewell and the opportunity of others…

Postby Maximus » Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:13 pm

Robin Hood wrote:Paphitis:
The USA and its coalition partners have been saying from day 1 that this war is a long term one, and that their Airpower alone will NOT be enough to defeat DAESH which is why we have a long term conservative strategy to train and develop Iraq's Military who we hope will do the heavy lifting and are doing just that as I write this.


But the US has tried this process of arming these foreign militaries and freedom fighters in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and now Syria and it has failed every time creating a whole lot of chaos. It won't work this time either!

The ONLY solution is to stop the fighting and this means 'removing' anyone that is fighting the elected government. To give Assad his dues, he has offered an amnesty to all the FSA deserters providing they have not committed other crimes. The same does not and should not apply to foreign mercenaries. Once the fighting has stopped UN forces could move into the country to keep the peace to allow free elections and .... as Putin keeps saying ..... let the Syrian people decide. :x


They do that to create chaos so they can exploit the situation.

They, with their proxy's did the same thing in Cyprus by arming some renegade Ottoman converts who were promised the continuation of apartheid in Cyprus only, instead of sending them packing to Turkey.

When you keep creating chaos and failure in other peoples countries, either your policies are failures and your an oblivious moron, or your doing it deliberately and trying to take everyone else for the moron.

Who invited the Americans to "help" in Syria anyway?
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Re: America’s farewell and the opportunity of others…

Postby DrCyprus » Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:31 pm

Maximus wrote:Who invited the Americans to "help" in Syria anyway?


Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey. They wanted a pipeline through Syria but Assad kept saying "nooooo".
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Re: America’s farewell and the opportunity of others…

Postby Paphitis » Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:46 am

Robin Hood wrote:But the US has tried this process of arming these foreign militaries and freedom fighters in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and now Syria and it has failed every time creating a whole lot of chaos. It won't work this time either!


We are only just getting started. The ground offensive has not even started so how can you assume it is a failure. Afghanistan was no failure when we armed the Mujahideen against the Soviet Union.

And you are staring down the barrel of another major failure like Afghanistan.

You did it to us in Vietnam but I for one think its all worth it in order to bring down Assad and Putin a peg or 2.

Robin Hood wrote:The ONLY solution is to stop the fighting and this means 'removing' anyone that is fighting the elected government. To give Assad his dues, he has offered an amnesty to all the FSA deserters providing they have not committed other crimes. The same does not and should not apply to foreign mercenaries. Once the fighting has stopped UN forces could move into the country to keep the peace to allow free elections and .... as Putin keeps saying ..... let the Syrian people decide. :x


We don't negotiate with war criminals. But if your war criminal lap dog is sincere, then he should get Putin to convey this to us.

It's not that we think he is insincere, but we would want the following:
1) free Syrian elections under United Nation Observation and scrutiny. We are not believing Assad's 88% popularity rating in a majority Sunni Nation.
2) the correct UN administered polling booths in areas where he is no longer in control to ensure Sunni and Kurdish participation.
3) UN scrutiny on the electoral roll, and the registration of all males and females over the age of 18.
4) UN observers at all polling stations.

If Assad is serious and his popularity is as true as his propaganda machine seem to indicate and that past elections were not rigged, then Assad has no fear.

But we both know that this is not on offer, and that Assad fears quite a lot, which is why he is so eager to take out the middle (moderate) ground and leave DAESH standing in order to re-invigorate support as "the lesser of 2 evils" which is something I do not subscribe to. Someone who uses Chemical Weapons and Attack Choppers over his own people is every bit as bad and just as much a terrorist as DAESH are.
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Re: America’s farewell and the opportunity of others…

Postby DrCyprus » Sat Oct 24, 2015 1:14 am

Paphitis wrote:Someone who uses Chemical Weapons and Attack Choppers over his own people is every bit as bad and just as much a terrorist as DAESH are.


Would I be wrong to assume that you also consider a president who bombs his own people as bad and just as much a terrorist as DAESH are?
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Re: America’s farewell and the opportunity of others…

Postby Paphitis » Sat Oct 24, 2015 3:18 am

DrCyprus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Someone who uses Chemical Weapons and Attack Choppers over his own people is every bit as bad and just as much a terrorist as DAESH are.


Would I be wrong to assume that you also consider a president who bombs his own people as bad and just as much a terrorist as DAESH are?


Yes of course. I don't see a lesser of 2 evils here.
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Re: America’s farewell and the opportunity of others…

Postby DrCyprus » Sat Oct 24, 2015 9:00 am

Paphitis wrote:
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Paphitis wrote:Someone who uses Chemical Weapons and Attack Choppers over his own people is every bit as bad and just as much a terrorist as DAESH are.


Would I be wrong to assume that you also consider a president who bombs his own people as bad and just as much a terrorist as DAESH are?


Yes of course. I don't see a lesser of 2 evils here.


Let me know when the U.S.A and the U.K officially recognise the genocides and ethnic cleansing commited by the modern Turkish state throughout its 100 year history and until today. When they condemn the barbaric terrorist ways the Turkish government chooses to deal with their own people when they go on protest and the abominable censoring they instigate, let us know.

All they do is enable Turkey's behaviour and treat Turkey like a spoiled child that can get their way with everything, including the situation in Cyprus, because of a base in Incirlic.

Until then, please don't come here and pretend that the U.S. government are the good guys.
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Re: America’s farewell and the opportunity of others…

Postby Paphitis » Sat Oct 24, 2015 9:41 am

DrCyprus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
DrCyprus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Someone who uses Chemical Weapons and Attack Choppers over his own people is every bit as bad and just as much a terrorist as DAESH are.


Would I be wrong to assume that you also consider a president who bombs his own people as bad and just as much a terrorist as DAESH are?


Yes of course. I don't see a lesser of 2 evils here.


Let me know when the U.S.A and the U.K officially recognise the genocides and ethnic cleansing commited by the modern Turkish state throughout its 100 year history and until today. When they condemn the barbaric terrorist ways the Turkish government chooses to deal with their own people when they go on protest and the abominable censoring they instigate, let us know.

All they do is enable Turkey's behaviour and treat Turkey like a spoiled child that can get their way with everything, including the situation in Cyprus, because of a base in Incirlic.

Until then, please don't come here and pretend that the U.S. government are the good guys.


Oh please, who said they are good guys? Putin however, is a much worse guy and Assad is in the gutter.

And it's not the same thing. Many Governments around the world have not officially recognized the Armenian Genocide for political reasons and trade. They do not deny it ever occurred and they actually acknowledge the history as fact.

This is not a policy I agree with, as I believe they should officially recognize the Armenian Genocide, but I also know that they probably will not do it for a long time for political reasons and trade (interests).

Trade with Turkey is considered the major obstacle.

To even try and connect these issues or to derive some justification as to why Putin or Assad should be supported with their crimes in Syria, is ludicrous and laughable to say the least.
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