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Re: Syria Officially under Assad and Russian occupation

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:37 am

Wait a minute. Putin, the lifetime atheist who suddenly converted to Orthodox Christianity by coincidence at a time when he correctly perceived that there was political capital to be gained from duping the gullible addicts of the opium of the people, is (according to some people here) supposedly conducting a 'holy war' to impose 'Orthodox justice'. If so, why does he see fit to impose the rule of godless Assad over the good Orthodox Christians of Syria? Why not bring them to power?

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Greek Orthodox Christians light candles and take pictures at the end of a Good Friday mass at the Meriamiah Church in the Syrian capital Damascus on April 10, 2015. (Louai Beshara/AFP/Getty Images)
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Re: Syria Officially under Assad and Russian occupation

Postby DrCyprus » Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:39 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
DrCyprus wrote:Wasn't it just a week ago that the U.S.A bomb a hospital in Afghanistan?

Spare us the cornflakes.


The Americans accidentally bombed a hospital in Afghanistan and this legitimises the Assad dictatorship in Syria? Sorry, but your logic escapes me.


You took my post, connected it to a statement I never made or even implied, then critisized me on it. Thank you for enriching my morning coffee with a strawman.

I made a statement to underline that the U.S.A claiming moral superiority over Russia in Syria in any way is laughable.

As for the "accidentally" part of the U.S.A bombing a hospital. That's just a matter of opinion isn't it? If the Doctors without borders hadn't raised their voices or complained the U.S.A wouldn't even have given a single toss or invested in 'public image repairing activities'
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Re: Syria Officially under Assad and Russian occupation

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:45 am

Regardless of the exact words of Russia's religious leaders, the talk of "holy war" has in recent days triggered some powerful and articulate responses from Orthodox Christians in Lebanon, who are among the most influential exponents of Christianity in the Middle East. Hundreds of people have signed a statement circulating, in French and Arabic, on Facebook entitled "Petition against Religious Wars" which reads in part: "We unreservedly condemn the idea that the "protection of Christians" can serve as an excuse in the service of ideological or political objectives, as some have tried to do in support of the Russian military intervention in Syria."


Some Middle Eastern Christians are speaking up against “holy war” in Syria

http://www.economist.com/blogs/erasmus/ ... d-holy-war
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Re: Syria Officially under Assad and Russian occupation

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:49 am

DrCyprus wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
DrCyprus wrote:Wasn't it just a week ago that the U.S.A bomb a hospital in Afghanistan?

Spare us the cornflakes.


The Americans accidentally bombed a hospital in Afghanistan and this legitimises the Assad dictatorship in Syria? Sorry, but your logic escapes me.


You took my post, connected it to a statement I never made or even implied, then critisized me on it. Thank you for enriching my morning coffee with a strawman.

I made a statement to underline that the U.S.A claiming moral superiority over Russia in Syria in any way is laughable.

As for the "accidentally" part of the U.S.A bombing a hospital. That's just a matter of opinion isn't it? If the Doctors without borders hadn't raised their voices or complained the U.S.A wouldn't even have given a single toss or invested in 'public image repairing activities'


That was the obvious implication to me. Thank you for clarifying.

The obvious implication of the statement: "As for the "accidentally" part of the U.S.A bombing a hospital. That's just a matter of opinion isn't it?" is that the Americans deliberately bombed the hospital. Is that what you are saying?

No outside actor in Syria can claim moral superiority. Every state acts in what it perceives to be its own interest.
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Re: Syria Officially under Assad and Russian occupation

Postby Paphitis » Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:49 am

DrCyprus wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
DrCyprus wrote:Wasn't it just a week ago that the U.S.A bomb a hospital in Afghanistan?

Spare us the cornflakes.


The Americans accidentally bombed a hospital in Afghanistan and this legitimises the Assad dictatorship in Syria? Sorry, but your logic escapes me.


You took my post, connected it to a statement I never made or even implied, then critisized me on it. Thank you for enriching my morning coffee with a strawman.

I made a statement to underline that the U.S.A claiming moral superiority over Russia in Syria in any way is laughable.

As for the "accidentally" part of the U.S.A bombing a hospital. That's just a matter of opinion isn't it? If the Doctors without borders hadn't raised their voices or complained the U.S.A wouldn't even have given a single toss or invested in 'public image repairing activities'


The USA is justified in claiming moral superiority if it did do so which I highly doubt they would make such a statement.

They are justified because its President is prepared to own up to making a huge military blunder which cost the lives of innocent Medical Staff and patients, take responsibility for the terrible tragedy and offer apologies, condolences and compensation (for what it may be worth to the families).

That is a HUGE difference to Pootin's Russia who has basically killed 298 innocent passengers on MH17. You know, he could have taken the same approach as the USA did over the hospital in Afghanistan. People will still be upset and angry, but public opinion would not be so much against Pootin if he was man enough to behave in a similar fashion as the USA and take responsibility for what we all know he did and is still doing in Syria (deliberately bombing hospitals).

As to the moral superiority thing, I have never heard the USA claim it before other than sometimes say they stand for freedom and HR - which is not a lie. Everyone has their interests and it is up to you to decipher who you think has the moral high ground. As for me, I have no trust and very little respect for Pootin as you might be able to tell. It's a fairly mainstream feeling in most countries as well.

My opinion of Assad is even worse than my opinion of Pootin. Assad has got to go if you want some peace in Syria. The Sunnis have been isolated and compromised for decades. They're not the only ones as the same thing occurred to Syria's Kurdish Communities. The Kurds fought against Assad for many decades and now the Sunnis are going for it too.
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Re: Syria Officially under Assad and Russian occupation

Postby Paphitis » Fri Oct 30, 2015 11:04 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
Regardless of the exact words of Russia's religious leaders, the talk of "holy war" has in recent days triggered some powerful and articulate responses from Orthodox Christians in Lebanon, who are among the most influential exponents of Christianity in the Middle East. Hundreds of people have signed a statement circulating, in French and Arabic, on Facebook entitled "Petition against Religious Wars" which reads in part: "We unreservedly condemn the idea that the "protection of Christians" can serve as an excuse in the service of ideological or political objectives, as some have tried to do in support of the Russian military intervention in Syria."


Some Middle Eastern Christians are speaking up against “holy war” in Syria

http://www.economist.com/blogs/erasmus/ ... d-holy-war


Far out! I might sign up to their version of Orthodoxy! :D

Bravo!

You hear so often Tim, how some simpletons say stupid things like the Russians are Orthodox or the Serbians are Orthodox.

Therefore, we Greeks and Cypriots must support our Orthodox Brothers. Even support the Albanian and Muslim genocidal massacres in Srebenika. They would come back and say that it was all Western/NATO lies and propaganda. It wasn't!

I know only a few simpletons say silly things like this, and no where near the majority, but it's still disappointing.

And how many Orthodox soldiers are serving the US, Australian, Canadian, or British Military? There would be thousands.But they are no brothers Tim.

The same idiots would even politicize a World Cup Soccer Match against Bosnia and Herzegovina when they played Cyprus recently. Yes a few clowns would have gone to the Stadium making stupid anti Bosnia chants, and NAZI salutes because that is what happens in Cyprus by a very seedy undercurrent with no morals or sportsmanship at all. probably the Bosnians would do the same to.

But I am ashamed of these types of Cypriots. We are not like that at all (the vast majority).
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Re: Syria Officially under Assad and Russian occupation

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:44 pm

Even sadder, they delude themselves that Putin gives a damn about the Greek Cypriots because they are fellow Orthodox Christians. The only thing Putin gives a damn about is number one.
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Re: Syria Officially under Assad and Russian occupation

Postby DrCyprus » Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:24 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:Even sadder, they delude themselves that Putin gives a damn about the Greek Cypriots because they are fellow Orthodox Christians. The only thing Putin gives a damn about is number one.


Unlike Saint Obama, the magnificent champion of human rights.

Both the U.S.A and Russia are neck deep in their respective piles of vile shit. As Cypriots we should not celebrate one over the other but rather focus on identifying the best way to benefit our island.

Labels such as 'Syria under Russian occupation' do a grave injustice to all the good Syrian people harmed by NATO, a direct and indirect supporter of ISIS.
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Re: Syria Officially under Assad and Russian occupation

Postby Paphitis » Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:31 pm

DrCyprus wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Even sadder, they delude themselves that Putin gives a damn about the Greek Cypriots because they are fellow Orthodox Christians. The only thing Putin gives a damn about is number one.


Unlike Saint Obama, the magnificent champion of human rights.

Both the U.S.A and Russia are neck deep in their respective piles of vile shit. As Cypriots we should not celebrate one over the other but rather focus on identifying the best way to benefit our island.

Labels such as 'Syria under Russian occupation' do a grave injustice to all the good Syrian people harmed by NATO, a direct and indirect supporter of ISIS.



No your wrong. He doesn't care enough about Cyprus either, but probably cares a little more than Pootin does. To be honest, I think most countries have higher standards than Pootin's Russia, even Turkey.

Both look after their interests on the most part, but for me, the USA has a far higher bar than Pootin's Russia and that is me saying it and not Obama.

But, how things could have been different if the silly Priest allowed the Americans to build their own little base in Cyprus? They asked for one and the priest said no. If he said yes, then the Americans would have significant interests in Cyprus worth protecting.

The silly babba must have thought that Nations like USSR act according to the tenets of his Orthodoxy (even though the Communists persecuted the Church) and not their strategic interests and that the Americans were only interested in prostitution, Cannabis and Cocaine. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Anyway, we could have used their interests to our benefit by providing an interest in the first place. We could have been a Singapore in the Mediterranean, and basically a protectorate pocket rocket Nation that is untouchable by anyone and at the same time bring Billions of USD to the island.

Btw, the coalition is not a supporter of ISIL in any way shape or form. We have spent Billions fighting them already and we were starting to make progress until the Russians arrived and now we are back to square 1.

Granted, we are now offering major military support to some Syrian Rebel Groups, but ISIL, Al Nusra and Al Qaeda are not among them. The Free Syrian Army, and Peshmerga yes and maybe a few others in the mix as well. We do not support ISIL either directly or indirectly. Assad is supporting ISIL at least indirectly and that is a harsh fact I'm afraid. It's 100% fact!

The supporters of these groups are also "good Syrian People". They are good Sunni people, who have rights too. Good Syrian people is not exclusive to Baathist supporting Allawite Syrians. So there you have the crux of the problem.

If you got any good solutions on how we can incorporate the Sunni Syrians among the "good Syrian People" where they can get jobs to feed their families, be represented in Government, and have a vote, then let us know. It will probably solve a lot of problems.
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Re: Syria Officially under Assad and Russian occupation

Postby DrCyprus » Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:50 pm

Paphitis wrote:But, how things could have been different if the silly Priest allowed the Americans to build their own little base in Cyprus? They asked for one and the priest said no. If he said yes, then the Americans would have significant interests in Cyprus worth protecting.


The British already have bases in Cyprus, which the Americans freely use on a request basis.

Giving every poutana a military base in Cyprus would be like spitting and stepping on the beautiful white dove and branches of olive (symbols of peace) we decorated our flag with.

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