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[GreekIslandGirl]

What else can i do to solve my problem about renting a house in Nicosia preferably in Agios Dömetios, Engomi or Strovolos? We have limited means but at least we can pay the rent of the house for one month(450 euros)... need a fully furnished one with internet provisioning, detached or ground floor appartnebt 3 bedrooms...

Why don't you try to live somewhere cheaper if it's only for six months with a specific purpose?

[erolz66]

In your haste to post propaganda, you completely failed to even look like you were answering the question!

It is a fact that the 6 month rule used to apply to all TC seeking redress in the south. It is fact that a TC took the RoC to the ECHR over this specific issue, having first spent years exhausting all 'local' means of redress for the violation or their rights this restriction represented. It is a fact that the RoC settled with this individual the day before the ECHR was due to rule on the case. It is a fact that the terms of this settlement included amending the law so that such a restriction was no longer placed on TC who were not resident in Cyprus in 74. Facts are not propaganda - what is propaganda is to try and present such facts as propaganda.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Do YOU believe that TC seeking to claim redress for their property in the South should first have to reside in the RoC for 6 months before they can even start the very long and legally expensive process to seek redress ?

Firstly, they can only and should only seek redress from Turkey! Turkey is the perpetrator here.

If they TCs want to sell their private property, that is another matter. It is not 'redress' since the RoC is not occupying itself!

[GreekIslandGirl]

In your haste to post propaganda, you completely failed to even look like you were answering the question!

It is a fact that the 6 month rule used to apply to all TC seeking redress in the south. It is fact that a TC took the RoC to the ECHR over this specific issue, having first spent years exhausting all 'local' means of redress for the violation or their rights this restriction represented. It is a fact that the RoC settled with this individual the day before the ECHR was due to rule on the case. It is a fact that the terms of this settlement included amending the law so that such a restriction was no longer placed on TC who were not resident in Cyprus in 74. Facts are not propaganda - what is propaganda is to try and present such facts as propaganda.

Why all this propaganda when the question was why not find a job?

Are Turk/TCs reaaaaaaaallly that work shy?

[insan]

To the other posters in general, you either believe that Cypriots who have lost access to and use of their properties in Cyprus as a result of the events of 74 should be allowed to reclaim them or receive fair compensation for that loss or you do not.

We believe that they should ALL be allowed to reclaim them... no double standards.

The right to property was recognized for all by both parties, Sotos... Everyone, GC, TC and others can go and claim their properties... while it's a very easy task to apply for it in the north for the GCs, though it may take a long time to be completed; in south, it's a very difficult task to go through besides the process in south may take a long time to be completed too...

Had a joint property commission established in late 70s or in early 80s; we would most probably have solved the right to property related problems and the ones who would wish to return to their properties in boundaries of existing UN parameters would have been determined.. Wouldn't it have been good for all refugees from both sides?

[erolz66]

Why all this propaganda when ...

Facts are not propaganda - what is propaganda is to try and present such facts as propaganda.

[GreekIslandGirl]

With all this propaganda being posted, may I just remind you that all private property sales are just that! They do not involve 'selling' anything to Turkey, or legalizing Turkey's occupation.

All sovereign property of the RoC (i.e. the WHOLE of Cyprus), whatever land transactions etc are made, remain ultimately under the authority of the RoC wherever they are sited be it in the free areas or under the presently occupied territories.

[insan]

Do YOU believe that TC seeking to claim redress for their property in the South should first have to reside in the RoC for 6 months before they can even start the very long and legally expensive process to seek redress ?

Firstly, they can only and should only seek redress from Turkey! Turkey is the perpetrator here.

If they TCs want to sell their private property, that is another matter. It is not 'redress' since the RoC is not occupying itself!

We have to follow the existing official solution mechanisms regarding this issue... not what some people believes what we should do, dear... if you believe it's wrong and unlawful, you too can file your case at the courts... that easy for you...

[insan]

In your haste to post propaganda, you completely failed to even look like you were answering the question!

It is a fact that the 6 month rule used to apply to all TC seeking redress in the south. It is fact that a TC took the RoC to the ECHR over this specific issue, having first spent years exhausting all 'local' means of redress for the violation or their rights this restriction represented. It is a fact that the RoC settled with this individual the day before the ECHR was due to rule on the case. It is a fact that the terms of this settlement included amending the law so that such a restriction was no longer placed on TC who were not resident in Cyprus in 74. Facts are not propaganda - what is propaganda is to try and present such facts as propaganda.

Why all this propaganda when the question was why not find a job?

Are Turk/TCs reaaaaaaaallly that work shy?

imho... residing in south while looking for a job makes it easy for you to be reachable, instantly... residing in south while seeking a job in south provide more chance to find a job.. finding a job may take months, why should i waste my time by not residing there to fulfil a part of that 6 months residence requirement? Please don't ask such questions that you already know the answer...

[erolz66]

Firstly, they can only and should only seek redress from Turkey! Turkey is the perpetrator here.

If they TCs want to sell their private property, that is another matter. It is not 'redress' since the RoC is not occupying itself!

It is not Turkey that is stopping Isan from being able to exercise his right to enjoy his property in the South. It is the RoC that is doing so. That is why it was the RoC that was taken to the ECHR by other TC similarly stopped from enjoying their property in the South (and enjoying includes the right to sell it if they wish) previously and why it was the RoC that settled with this claimant a day before the ECHR was to rule and the RoC who agreed to change their law - an effective admission that the previous law was unjust and a denial of the claimants rights.

I know the world is very simple for you GiG and that by definition anything done by Greeks and Greeks who live in Cyprus must be right and just and fair and honourable BECAUSE it is done by Greeks and anything done by Turks (and those you consider to be Turks who reside in Cyprus) must be wrong and unjust and unfair and dishonourable BECAUSE it is done by Turks. However it is ONLY nutters like yourself that have such a world view. Thankfully it seems clear to me that normal sane Cypriots and non Cypriots around the world understand that such a world view is nothing more than that of an extremist, just as institutions like the ECHR do. People like B25 and yourself despise the ECHR not because you believe that it does not try to treat everyone equally despite their ethnic backgrounds but because it does not openly treat GC preferentially.