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Re: What does Erdogan's victory mean for Cyprus?

Postby Nikitas » Tue Nov 03, 2015 7:11 pm

to the GCs it means nothing. To the TCs it means a closer and potentially deadlier embrace.

It was Erdo who discounted the emigration of TCs from Cyprus, with "what if they leave, we have people to put there to replace the ones who leave".

It was his government that pushed through the "umbilical cord" pipeline.

Erdoghan took offence at Akinci asserting the TC community's rights a few weeks back.

TCs are caught between the RoC and a hard place. They are the ones who need the solution urgently to be rid of the choke hold. The man to watch here is not Erdo, it is Akinci who will have to manouver dexterously.
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Re: What does Erdogan's victory mean for Cyprus?

Postby Sotos » Tue Nov 03, 2015 7:18 pm

insan wrote:
Jerry wrote:Will Erdo want to bring his Cyprus problem to a conclusion now? Will he make significant concessions in order maintain some sort of presence on the island? From today's Zaman (before it's closed down)

He pointed out that the Cyprus issue may be one of those issues to which government might push for a solution without worrying about upsetting the nationalists in Turkey, as the peace talks in the ethnically divided island between Turkish Cypriots in the north and Greek Cypriots in the south appear to be getting close to a final solution.


http://www.todayszaman.com/diplomacy_tu ... 03200.html



When we take into consideration that the negotiations to find a solution to the Cyprus problem has been going on since 1967(actually since mid 50s); "appear to be getting close" means, we need at least 5 more years to negotiate, mature it by equlizing the economies of 2 communities and then if the majorities of 2 communities vote yes; we could start materializing the solution, phase by phase...


That is not how it works. First comes the agreed solution, then everything else.
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Re: What does Erdogan's victory mean for Cyprus?

Postby Get Real! » Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:01 pm

umit07 wrote:What has Cyprus got to offer Sultan Er dog an?

I don't know about the rest but I'm offering my middle finger...
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Re: What does Erdogan's victory mean for Cyprus?

Postby insan » Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:27 pm

Sotos wrote:
insan wrote:
Jerry wrote:Will Erdo want to bring his Cyprus problem to a conclusion now? Will he make significant concessions in order maintain some sort of presence on the island? From today's Zaman (before it's closed down)

He pointed out that the Cyprus issue may be one of those issues to which government might push for a solution without worrying about upsetting the nationalists in Turkey, as the peace talks in the ethnically divided island between Turkish Cypriots in the north and Greek Cypriots in the south appear to be getting close to a final solution.


http://www.todayszaman.com/diplomacy_tu ... 03200.html



When we take into consideration that the negotiations to find a solution to the Cyprus problem has been going on since 1967(actually since mid 50s); "appear to be getting close" means, we need at least 5 more years to negotiate, mature it by equlizing the economies of 2 communities and then if the majorities of 2 communities vote yes; we could start materializing the solution, phase by phase...


That is not how it works. First comes the agreed solution, then everything else.



1- complete withdrawal of Turkish troops and guarabtorship of foreign powers.

2- In order to balance the population ratio as how it was in the 60's; it should be 1/4... others won't be the citizens of new republic.

3- The owner of the property before 74 must have the first say.

4- No derrogations and restrictions on freedom of movement...

5- The zone under local administration of northern constituent state must be 25%.

What could be the compromises from GC leadership, any idea? There must be 5?

Before 74 the only problem was political equality and guarantorship of Turkey... lately they don't even talk about the political equality of 2 communities which was the primary cause of inter-communal conflict...


Are these the compromises you ask for from TC community?
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Re: What does Erdogan's victory mean for Cyprus?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:40 am

insan wrote:

1- complete withdrawal of Turkish troops and guarabtorship of foreign powers.

2- In order to balance the population ratio as how it was in the 60's; it should be 1/4... others won't be the citizens of new republic.

3- The owner of the property before 74 must have the first say.

4- No derrogations and restrictions on freedom of movement...

5- The zone under local administration of northern constituent state must be 25%.

What could be the compromises from GC leadership, any idea? There must be 5?

Before 74 the only problem was political equality and guarantorship of Turkey... lately they don't even talk about the political equality of 2 communities which was the primary cause of inter-communal conflict...


Are these the compromises you ask for from TC community?


These are actually GC compromises.
They define as such because the starting point of the GC side was for the TCs to be a minority with no political rights.No word about settlers..
The starting point of the Tcs was Taksim, and later with the declaration of another "state" in the occupied--> recognition. I have no idea what their compromises are.
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Re: What does Erdogan's victory mean for Cyprus?

Postby Oceanside50 » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:53 am

the values of Turkey and the West are diametrically opposed at this point, what chance does this peace process have in Cyprus?...zero




In 2008, Erdogan launched his most brazen assault on Turkey's once-vibrant secular democracy: In a blatant abuse of Turkish law, he indicted 86 top Turkish officials, political foes and military officers, consolidating ever more power in his own hands.
It was a silent coup of sorts — no shots, but lots of potential enemies dispatched, disgraced and disqualified.
As Middle East scholar Michael Rubin wrote in Commentary in 2010, "(Erdogan) sought to revolutionize education, dominate the judiciary, take over the police and control the media. " He's done all that and more.
Worse, at key points in recent years Turkey has undercut the U.S. and its NATO allies in serious ways — such as prohibiting the U.S. from opening a northern front early in the Iraq War, voting against Iran sanctions at the U.N. in 2010 and aiding the radical Islamist "flotilla" that attempted to ship weapons to Israel's enemies.
In 2014 and 2015, Turkey sat on its hands while the Islamic State gathered strength on its border, hoping to see Syria's Bashar Assad overthrown. It didn't happen. Now, Turkey wants U.S. and NATO help again.
Last summer, after a U.S.-Turkey agreement to cooperate against ISIS, Turkey launched an immediate attack on Iraq's Kurds, a U.S. ally.
Well, Turkey is no longer an ally, and expecting it to be one is a mistake. Erdogan isn't interested in friendship with the West — only in more power and returning his nation to the radical Islamist fold.



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Re: What does Erdogan's victory mean for Cyprus?

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Nov 05, 2015 4:20 pm

...i am expecting Erdogan to use Cyprus differently. It would not surprise me if the "Turks" of Cyprus will feel betrayed, because he will demonstrate through Cyprus the qualities that the rest of the world is looking from him, the recognition of the Republic. In that regard, an about face from Erdogan, makes sense. Externally he will get a great deal of support, improving the credibility which he is now lacking. Cyprus becomes an important ally (with (Syria, Lebanon,) Israel, Egypt, and Greece). Internally, it will not lead to any more discord, against him, it may even help, because as an action it is hopeful to those who feel, in Turkey, that they are suffering from the same intolerance, and in esteem his supporters can take comfort in the potential Turkey can realise Internationally, having made this choice.

...i remember how hopeful the world was with his election originally. This charm is gone. He needs it now, and the Problem provides him an avenue, with its solution.
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Re: What does Erdogan's victory mean for Cyprus?

Postby Mustiejodu » Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:01 pm

B25 wrote:
umit07 wrote:Nobody is getting close to anything. What has Cyprus got to offer Sultan Er dog an?



1. Recognition
2. Legalise Ercan
3. EU membership
4. Gas/Oil

Shall I go on, what you should ask is what can Erdogan offer us????



The offer is that you continue to exist and we allow you to continue with your culture and your so called faith that you pretend to follow . We allowed it from 1571 until when a deal was struck with the British empire on the turn of the 19th century to hand over rule or was it temporary agreement with the sultan leased for 100 years . You had nothing and now you want to make deals with land we already took completely . How does that work you fucking idiots
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Re: What does Erdogan's victory mean for Cyprus?

Postby Mustiejodu » Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:04 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
insan wrote:

1- complete withdrawal of Turkish troops and guarabtorship of foreign powers.

2- In order to balance the population ratio as how it was in the 60's; it should be 1/4... others won't be the citizens of new republic.

3- The owner of the property before 74 must have the first say.

4- No derrogations and restrictions on freedom of movement...

5- The zone under local administration of northern constituent state must be 25%.

What could be the compromises from GC leadership, any idea? There must be 5?

Before 74 the only problem was political equality and guarantorship of Turkey... lately they don't even talk about the political equality of 2 communities which was the primary cause of inter-communal conflict...


Are these the compromises you ask for from TC community?


These are actually GC compromises.



You forgot ENOSIS
They define as such because the starting point of the GC side was for the TCs to be a minority with no political rights.No word about settlers..
The starting point of the Tcs was Taksim, and later with the declaration of another "state" in the occupied--> recognition. I have no idea what their compromises are.



WHAT ABOUT ENOSIS . OR HAVE WE FORGOTTEN GC HISTORY
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Re: What does Erdogan's victory mean for Cyprus?

Postby Mustiejodu » Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:04 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
insan wrote:

1- complete withdrawal of Turkish troops and guarabtorship of foreign powers.

2- In order to balance the population ratio as how it was in the 60's; it should be 1/4... others won't be the citizens of new republic.

3- The owner of the property before 74 must have the first say.

4- No derrogations and restrictions on freedom of movement...

5- The zone under local administration of northern constituent state must be 25%.

What could be the compromises from GC leadership, any idea? There must be 5?

Before 74 the only problem was political equality and guarantorship of Turkey... lately they don't even talk about the political equality of 2 communities which was the primary cause of inter-communal conflict...


Are these the compromises you ask for from TC community?


These are actually GC compromises.



You forgot ENOSIS
They define as such because the starting point of the GC side was for the TCs to be a minority with no political rights.No word about settlers..
The starting point of the Tcs was Taksim, and later with the declaration of another "state" in the occupied--> recognition. I have no idea what their compromises are.



WHAT ABOUT ENOSIS . OR HAVE WE FORGOTTEN GC HISTORY
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