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[DrCyprus]

I said a form of A_language. We are not comparing different languages here

You took your etymology from the first part of the Wikipedia article on dialects.

This is the beginning of the second part, that talks specifically about the differences between a language and a dialect:

There is no universally accepted criterion for distinguishing two different languages from two dialects (i.e. varieties) of the same language.[4] A number of rough measures exist, sometimes leading to contradictory results. The distinction is therefore subjective and depends on the user's frame of reference.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialect

I don't think so. Take any illiterate shepperd who went to fight in Greece during WWII. Did he have any problem communicating? I'd bet nobody would understand him talking his local dialect though.

If he was illiterate, then he wouldn't have been able to communicate at all outside his local dialect.

Just wait until a few of of the thousands of World's dialects ever be lifted to languages and we will be the next laughing stock, don't worry :lol:

You are being a jerk now.

[color=#0000FF]Therefore we are nothing special

We are the Greeks of Cyprus. That's sufficient.

and we can't claim authenticity.

Thank you for letting us know that we can't claim something that we didn't claim

The mere fact than nobody understands our dialect whereas everybody understand the official language just proves our "language" evolved in a distorted and alien way from it's roots.

I think you are out of your depth now. Cypriot Greek evolved naturally and is a true Greek language.

The mere fact that many Greeks don't understand our dialect points out to the mere fact that they never received education or experienced our way of speaking. Teach them, and they'll be speaking it and understanding it in no time.

Everybody understands the official Greek because it's taught and spoken everywhere in Greek daily lives.

our "language" evolved in a distorted and alien way from it's roots.

Don't let your ignorance make you a traitor to your roots.

just take the Pontian dialect. I have to concentrate to realize it's not Russian...

If you receive instruction on the Pontian dialect then you will understand it.

[umit07]

WTF is wrong with you DrCy, I am no linguist but the language spoken by GC's is Greek, you speak a Cypriot Dialect of it. Same goes for TC's, a Turk would find speaking to an old Paphian TC quite difficult. I undertook my high school studies in Cyprus around 10 years ago, we would speak in TC dialect, we never lost this attribute despite being studying the Turkish language curriculum that was an exact copy of Turkey's, books and all. We just adjust our language to suit whoever we are communicating with, which I am sure you yourself do. In ancient times a Cypriot language did exist, but what you are speaking now, is not reminiscent of this (although GR would like to claim that Greek is actually a rip-off of ancient Cypriot). The language you speak is merely a characteristic of your identity, it is not the sole descriptor that defines you.

[DrCyprus]

WTF is wrong with you DrCy, I am no linguist but the language spoken by GC's is Greek, you speak a Cypriot Dialect of it. Same goes for TC's, a Turk would find speaking to an old Paphian TC quite difficult. I undertook my high school studies in Cyprus around 10 years ago, we would speak in TC dialect, we never lost this attribute despite being studying the Turkish language curriculum that was an exact copy of Turkey's, books and all. We just adjust our language to suit whoever we are communicating with, which I am sure you yourself do. In ancient times a Cypriot language did exist, but what you are speaking now, is not reminiscent of this (although GR would like to claim that Greek is actually a rip-off of ancient Cypriot). The language you speak is merely a characteristic of your identity, it is not the sole descriptor that defines you.

If you don't have the grace to spend 4-5 minutes to read and understand what I claim, please abstain from littering my thread with zero value content.

I'll make a map of what I claim and my answers to the main arguments against it that were raised here, then add the link at the beginning of this thread so I can attract more constructive posts.

[DrCyprus]

Map is ready.

Tomorrow, I'll post a list of questions/doubts that were raised in this thread and their answers.

[Get Real!]

Sorry girls but the Cypriot language existed for at least 700 years before anything Greek appeared...

http://www.ancientscripts.com/ws_timeline.html

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[Paphitis]

Map is ready.

Tomorrow, I'll post a list of questions/doubts that were raised in this thread and their answers.

Really Dr?

Greek was created before Cypriot? Really?

Try again!

[DrCyprus]

Map is ready.

Tomorrow, I'll post a list of questions/doubts that were raised in this thread and their answers.

Really Dr?

Greek was created before Cypriot? Really?

Try again!

Can you be more specific as to which Greek and which Cypriot you refer to?

I tried to depict what I meant, and I can only improve this visual aid with your feedback.

[insan]

Sorry girls but the Cypriot language existed for at least 700 years before anything Greek appeared...

http://www.ancientscripts.com/ws_timeline.html

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"2600-2000 BC. Early Bronze Age. Establishment of Lerna, a city on the Gulf of Argolis. Arrival [c. 3000 BC] on mainland Greece of first Greek speaking peoples."

http://www.noteaccess.com/APPROACHES/AGW/BirthG.htm

What langugae the so-called Cypriots were speaking in this period of time? As far as i know, they were settlers from near east and Anatolia who should have their own languages... this clearly indicates that later at some point of history, they were Hellenized lingually... and inter-mingled with Greeks... then they contributed to a form of written Greek in between 1500 BC -1200 BC

[Paphitis]

Map is ready.

Tomorrow, I'll post a list of questions/doubts that were raised in this thread and their answers.

Really Dr?

Greek was created before Cypriot? Really?

Try again!

Can you be more specific as to which Greek and which Cypriot you refer to?

I tried to depict what I meant, and I can only improve this visual aid with your feedback.

Sure, the Minoan Linear A and the Cypriot Linear B

http://www.ancientscripts.com/lineara.html

http://www.ancientscripts.com/cypriot.html

[DrCyprus]

Map is ready.

Tomorrow, I'll post a list of questions/doubts that were raised in this thread and their answers.

Really Dr?

Greek was created before Cypriot? Really?

Try again!

Can you be more specific as to which Greek and which Cypriot you refer to?

I tried to depict what I meant, and I can only improve this visual aid with your feedback.

Sure, the Minoan Linear A and the Cypriot Linear B

http://www.ancientscripts.com/lineara.html

http://www.ancientscripts.com/cypriot.html

Irrelevant to this thread.
We are talking about how the modern Cypriot Greek language evolved, not where language appeared first.