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Re: Cynical Engineering.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Nov 15, 2015 1:24 am

erolz66 wrote:Not only were they not carried out, no attempt what so ever was made by Britain to even try and carry them out - because doing so was not an Official British aim or policy.


Even though the documents were entitled "British Aims for Cyprus", the MoD, the Ministers, the Committee etc must all be pretty stupid because they should have asked erolz66 who knows better. :roll:

We don't know how far they got with their aims (but I am sure you are happy to make something up that makes you happy) as contained within the documents are the fears that Turkey wouldn't accept them. And indeed as I said, we know what happened shortly after these aims were discussed/formulated.

But, I for one would have supported them 100% if they were collecting money to send "those Turkish Cypriots" to Turkey. :P
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Re: Cynical Engineering.

Postby Lordo » Sun Nov 15, 2015 1:59 am

finish the ethnic cleansing magarios started hey yeah right. first though you mallakina has to be reptriated to greace. hade exo yalla
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Re: Cynical Engineering.

Postby erolz66 » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:34 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Even though the documents were entitled "British Aims for Cyprus", .....


It really does seem that you are incapable of making a post that does not contain distortions of actual fact to suit your needs.
The document (singular) was not entitled "British Aims for Cyprus". The document contained within it a sub heading of such. Still let's not let actual factual truth get in the way of your stories shall we.

GreekIslandGirl wrote:We don't know how far they got with their aims


We know they never got as far as offering to 'give financial and other assistance for the resettling of TC' because such was not an aim of the British Government.

GreekIslandGirl wrote:.... as contained within the documents are the fears that Turkey wouldn't accept them.


Yet more distortion.

DO (O) 64/26 wrote: If Mr Tuomioja and others reach the conclusion that a "pro-Greek" solution is the only possible one the main problem will be to bring the Turks to accept this conclusion.


Do you see the word IF there ? DO you know what the word IF means ? The document also has another IF in it that you have ignored, also under the sub heading "British Aims for Cyprus"

DO(O) 64/26) wrote: If, therefore, we believe that a 'pro-Greek' solution is the only one with any chance of long-term success,..."


Do you see the word IF there ? DO you know what the word IF means ? DO you know the differenced between saying 'If, therefore, we believe" and "as, therefore, we believe" ?

GreekIslandGirl wrote:And indeed as I said, we know what happened shortly after these aims were discussed/formulated.


We do indeed. Some of the things that 'happened' In Cyprus following this document being produced

On 7th March a large armed Greek-Cypriot force from Limassol entered the village [of Mallia] and attacked the Turk-Cypriot quarter. The entire Turk-Cypriot population retreated into the community's school and was laid seige. British troops intervened and a cease-fire was accepted on 10 March after the Turk-Cypriots agreed to surrender their arms to the Greek-Cypriots. During the fight, five Turk-Cypriots were killed. It is alleged that most of these casualties were unarmed and occurred when the cease-fire was supposed to be in effect.


on 19 March Greek-Cypriot forces launched an attack on the Turk-Cypriot village of Ghaziveran. Seven Turk-Cypriots and one Greek-Cypriot were shot dead before British troops were able to arrange a cease-fire agreement


On 27 March 1964, the commander of UNFICYP declared his force to be operational, and United Nations troops took over the British observation posts which had been established along the various cease-fire lines.


On 25 April, Greek-Cypriot units began an offensive against Turkish-Cypriot positions near the [Kyrenia] pass during which six Turk-Cypriots and one Greek-Cypriot were killed. Efforts by UNFICYP to stop the fighting were completely ignored until 29 April when President Makarios announced that his forces had achieved their objective of pushing back the Turkish-Cypriot front lines.


Between 11 and 13 May, probably 32 to 35 Turk-Cypriots were abducted and executed as a reprisal for the deaths of these three men. The abductions seem to have been carried out by a well-organized Greek-Cypriot gang based in Famagusta and Larnaca Districts, although it is not improbable that a few of the kidnappings may have been spontaneous and uncoordinated acts of revenge.


On 14 June 1964, General Grivas returned to Cyprus. In the next two months 5,000 Greek troops arrived to form the Greek Army in Cyprus under his command.


On 6 August, National Guard and Greek Army units attacked Turk-Cypriot villages around Kokkina.[60] Turk-Cypriot civilians and Fighters were forced to retreat into a narrow beachhead and were subjected to an intense artillery bombardment. On 7 August, Turkish aircraft had over-flown the battle-zone and fired their weapons out to sea as a show of strength to reinforce a Turkish ultimatum to stop the attack. On 8 August, Turkish jets attacked National Guard and Greek troops in the Tylliria region.


This then was what happened in Cyprus in the months after this document was used to brief the policy committee, whilst there was supposed to have been a cease fire leading up to the arrival of UN troops and after their arrival.

GreekIslandGirl wrote:But, I for one would have supported them 100% if they were collecting money to send "those Turkish Cypriots" to Turkey. :P


Seems like the GC leadership of the time, the likes of Grivas et al, were of the view why pay TC to leave when we can just force them too with force of arms and intimidation and murder aided by contingents of Greek mainland troops, all on the assumption that the presence of UN troops would keep Turkey at bay whilst they did so - an assumption that was a catastrophic miscalculation on their part.

How much would it cost to pay you to fuck off from this forum GiG ? I am sure we could find plenty of people willing to contribute to such a fund.
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Re: Cynical Engineering.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:43 am

erolz66 wrote:How much would it cost to pay you to fuck off from this forum GiG ?


[So that you can be free to make up lies and provide "quotes" from "websites" too shameful to reveal?]

This is an example of TCs in action.

How much have they, ultimately, paid Turkey to make 200,000 GCs 'fuck off' from the north?
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Re: Cynical Engineering.

Postby erolz66 » Sun Nov 15, 2015 12:19 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:[So that you can be free to make up lies and provide "quotes" from "websites" too shameful to reveal?]


No, so that I and others would not have to waste their time challenging your systematic distortions of truth and the inevitable pages and pages of screaming and shouting and petulant childish behaviour from yourself that are always the result of anyone challenging you systematic distortion of truth.

The source of my quotes are not to shameful too reveal at all. They are from Canadian scholar Richard A. Patrick, who was an officer in UNFICYP in the late 1960 and his work published as Political Geography and the Cyprus Conflict, 1963-1971. Section so this work are reproduced on the cyprus-conflict.net website (the website itself is cited by the guardian as "The best of its kind on the Web....exhaustive and balanced....". Mr Patrick work is described on that website as follows "..., is meticulously described by the Canadian scholar Richard A. Patrick, who was an officer in UNFICYP in the late 1960s and pursued his interest in the Cyprus conflict as a doctoral student in political geography at the London School of Economics. This research, published as Political Geography and the Cyprus Conflict, 1963-1971, is considered among the most authoritative accounts of the period. Below is Chapter Three from this classic work."

https://web.archive.org/web/20130719211 ... p%203.html
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Re: Cynical Engineering.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Nov 15, 2015 12:55 pm

As I thought! :roll:

Warped opinions from your pro-Turkish propaganda-peddling shytesite, dressed up by sidelines! Typical twister.

That's all you're fit for.
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Re: Cynical Engineering.

Postby erolz66 » Sun Nov 15, 2015 1:10 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:As I thought! :roll:

Warped opinions from your pro-Turkish propaganda-peddling shytesite, dressed up by sidelines! Typical twister.

That's all you're fit for.


All you do GiG is show how you simply ignore the truth and distort it as and when it suits you.

To describe Mr Patricks work and or the Cyprus-Conflict.net website as a 'pro Turkish propaganda peddling shytesite' just shows your inability to accept anything that does not suit your propaganda agenda.

Who do you think has more credibility. You or the Guardian newspaper, that is cited as describing the website in question as ""The best of its kind on the Web....exhaustive and balanced...." ? You or the Fulbright Senior Scholar John Tirman, who created the web site. You or Mr Patrick, who was a UNFICYP officer and who's doctoral work whilst at the London School of Economics is described as being "considered among the most authoritative accounts of the period." ?

On the one hand we have a no mark poster on this forum that hides behind anonymity, with a 10+ year posting history of systematic distortion of fact to suit a GC / Greek propaganda world view and on the other we have respected recognised Scholars.
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Re: Cynical Engineering.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Nov 15, 2015 1:54 pm

erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:As I thought! :roll:

Warped opinions from your pro-Turkish propaganda-peddling shytesite, dressed up by sidelines! Typical twister.

That's all you're fit for.


All you do GiG is show how you simply ignore the truth and distort it as and when it suits you.


You are NOT the provider of "truth" no matter how highly you consider yourself.

Sadly, the only indicator of a conscience here is that you hid your sources until challenged. It's that challenge that makes you tell me to "fuck off from this forum"!
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Re: Cynical Engineering.

Postby Garavnoss » Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:48 pm

erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:[So that you can be free to make up lies and provide "quotes" from "websites" too shameful to reveal?]

The source of my quotes are not to shameful too reveal at all. They are from Canadian scholar Richard A. Patrick, who was an officer in UNFICYP in the late 1960 and his work published as Political Geography and the Cyprus Conflict, 1963-1971.
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Richard A Patrick ?........., that "Poofter" would have been lobbed off the roof by the IS, if he was still around. 8)
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Re: Cynical Engineering.

Postby erolz66 » Sun Nov 15, 2015 4:54 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote: You are NOT the provider of "truth" no matter how highly you consider yourself.


Look in the mirror deary.

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Sadly, the only indicator of a conscience here is that you hid your sources until challenged.


You asked for the source. I immediately provided it. You then write off those sources as "pro-Turkish propaganda-peddling shytesite" not because that is true, or that there is any credible evidence for it being true and despite the copious credible evidence that such is not true. You write them off as such because doing so suits your propaganda need DESPITE and REGARDLESS of the actual truth. This is what you do GiG. This is what you have done consistently and relentlessly for over 10 years here. Truth, actual truth, is just irrelevant and inconsequential to you compared with your propaganda needs. You show this yet again. It is so boring.

GreekIslandGirl wrote: It's that challenge that makes you tell me to "fuck off from this forum"!


You think the reason I would be willing to pay a contribution to have you leave this is forum because you asked for the source of quotes I used and I immediately gave you that source ? You think you asking for a source and me immediately giving it is more motivation to me than your years and years of persistent relentless cynical distortion of truth to suit your propaganda needs, your petulant childish screaming and shouting when challenged for doing so, your name calling, your bigotry, your racism and your down right nastiness ? That is you latest 'theory' is it ?
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