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Re: Stupid Obama: we should have deployed to Ukraine

Postby Paphitis » Tue Nov 17, 2015 3:27 pm

miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
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Paphitis wrote:US and NATO troops should have deployed to Ukraine.

Stupid Obama doesn't know what he is doing. Thank God we have elections in the USA because we need the Republicans in office ASAP!

If you think I am extreme, just wait till the Americans ditch Obama for the Bush Dynasty.

Obama created this and that is unforgivable!

Friggin Pootin would be running for cover if we didn't turn our backs on our Ukrainian allies to "avoid WW3"

Pootin doesn't have the guts or the stomach to have a ww3 with NATO. He is just a bull dog that sniffed Obama's stupid indecision! Stupid idiot Obama withdrew out of Iraq way too early too and created a mess.

Get the tuck out Obama! It's a big responsibility to be President of the USA and yuk're a friggin huge failure! :roll:

Try to think before you post such utter crap.
Your naivity is having the best of you.
So you want WW3 , do you ?


You don't have a friggin clue what you're on about.

You eagerly present your views as those of a mature and a wise man. You are nothing of the sort. You are indeed an extremely naive individual who has views devoid of substance and even more, wisdom.


You are a complete idiot for supporting the Assad Status Quo.

Have you ever asked yourself what it is that the Syrians want when they started the Spring against his rule? The vast majority don't want him and the FSA along with other groups are the best hope for the successful completion of this revolution.

Pootin's actions have without doubt deepened the Syrian Crisis and unless there is some kind of consensus between the USA and Russia, this war is going to go on for years with no end in sight. We will not accept a consensus which involves Assad so that leaves Pootin in a difficult jam.
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Re: Stupid Obama: we should have deployed to Ukraine

Postby Kikapu » Tue Nov 17, 2015 3:47 pm

Paphitis wrote:Even Hillary will be better than Obama. But I'm completely off the Democrats now. The Republicans will get the votes but they got to get rid of Trump and a couple of others.

Jen Bush is looking good for me.

The world needs a far right winger now to give Pootin the bitch slapping he is begging for.


I agree with you, that Obama has been playing it very safe as the "nice guy" on many issues in his second term in office.

However, Jeb Bush is not a far right winger. He's not even a right winger or a "hawk". Actually, neither was the father or brother George W. George W. was just stupid, who's brain is burned out on drugs. Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Karl Rove led George W. by the nose making him do what they wanted, and did get what they wanted.
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Re: Stupid Obama: we should have deployed to Ukraine

Postby Zenon33 » Tue Nov 17, 2015 3:57 pm

Paphitis wrote:US and NATO troops should have deployed to Ukraine.

Stupid Obama doesn't know what he is doing. Thank God we have elections in the USA because we need the Republicans in office ASAP!

If you think I am extreme, just wait till the Americans ditch Obama for the Bush Dynasty.

Obama created this and that is unforgivable!

Friggin Pootin would be running for cover if we didn't turn our backs on our Ukrainian allies to "avoid WW3"

Pootin doesn't have the guts or the stomach to have a ww3 with NATO. He is just a bull dog that sniffed Obama's stupid indecision! Stupid idiot Obama withdrew out of Iraq way too early too and created a mess.

Get the tuck out Obama! It's a big responsibility to be President of the USA and yuk're a friggin huge failure! :roll:



I'm waiting for Donald Trump's time.
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Re: Stupid Obama: we should have deployed to Ukraine

Postby Paphitis » Tue Nov 17, 2015 4:05 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Even Hillary will be better than Obama. But I'm completely off the Democrats now. The Republicans will get the votes but they got to get rid of Trump and a couple of others.

Jen Bush is looking good for me.

The world needs a far right winger now to give Pootin the bitch slapping he is begging for.


I agree with you, that Obama has been playing it very safe as the "nice guy" on many issues in his second term in office.

However, Jeb Bush is not a far right winger. He's not even a right winger or a "hawk". Actually, neither was the father or brother George W. George W. was just stupid, who's brain is burned out on drugs. Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Karl Rove led George W. by the nose making him do what they wanted, and did get what they wanted.


Yes I agree that Obama was too much of a 'nice guy'

Nice guys come last and Pootin sniffed the weakness. The US Presidency is a big responsibility. It's not just a big responsibility for America itself but for America's allies - NATO, ANZUS we all rely heavily on America because they are the backbone.

Either way, Jeb will be steered by his team and has all the experience of George Senior to draw upon. I think the USA needs to go back to what works during these dangerous times. We all hope they get a better and stronger leader in order to put Pootin in his place.

Whilst Obama might be Mr Nice Guy, Pootin is a nasty piece of work.

Obama has let his allies down. They withdrew from Iraq prematurely and I knew that back then. Now, because of this monumentally stupid blunder, we are all forced to send troops, aircraft and ships to help the Iraqis regain their country from ISIL. We have been largely successful but if there was no withdrawal to begin with, I doubt DAESH would have got as big a foothold. In the end, Obama's stupidity has extended the war in Iraq rather than end it.
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Re: Stupid Obama: we should have deployed to Ukraine

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Nov 17, 2015 6:23 pm

Some recent comments by Obama:

“It is not just my view, but the view of my closest military and civilian advisers, that (sending more U.S. troops) would be a mistake,”

“My only interest is to end suffering and to keep the American people safe. And if there’s a good idea out there, then we’re going to do it,” he said. “But what we do not do, what I do not do is to take actions either because it is going to work politically or it is going to somehow, in the abstract, make America look tough, or make me look tough. And maybe part of the reason is because every few months I go to Walter Reed [National Military Medical Center in Bethesda, Md.], and I see a 25-year-old kid who’s paralyzed or has lost his limbs, and some of those are people I’ve ordered into battle. And so I can’t afford to play some of the political games that others may.”

That would be a mistake, Obama said, “not because our military could not march into Mosul, or Raqqa, or Ramadi and temporarily clear out ISIL.” An operation on that scale, he said, would ultimately fail because it would not reflect any of the lessons learned from the Iraq invasion of 2003, which deposed a leader and left no “local populations that are committed to inclusive governance and who are pushing back against ideological extremes.”

Problems like the rise of ISIS would only resurface he said, “unless we are prepared to have a permanent occupation” in the countries that are breeding grounds for terrorists.

“Let’s assume we were to send 50,000 troops into Syria,” he said. “What happens when there is a terrorist attack generated from Yemen? Do we then send more troops into there? Or Libya, perhaps. Or if there’s a terrorist network that’s operating anywhere else in North Africa or Southeast Asia. So a strategy has to be one that can be sustained.”


http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2015/ ... ke/123730/

I actually think that this is some of the most intelligent and joined up thinking out there. Essentially, the root of the problem has to be eradicated – the existence radical, intolerant, fundamentalist Islamism – otherwise new shoots will keep pushing up every time you think you have hacked down all of the foliage. This will only happen when a powerful movement similar to the European Renaissance takes hold in the Middle East, and I believe it will eventually in reaction to the horrors we are now witnessing. This cannot be imposed from outside or forced on people through military action. The irony is, even though Obama seems to be taking so much flack, his policies gradually seem to be bearing fruit with the Iraqi armed forces now surrounding Ramadi ready to liberate it from Daesh.
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Re: Stupid Obama: we should have deployed to Ukraine

Postby Maximus » Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:07 pm

Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:US and NATO troops should have deployed to Ukraine.

Stupid Obama doesn't know what he is doing. Thank God we have elections in the USA because we need the Republicans in office ASAP!

If you think I am extreme, just wait till the Americans ditch Obama for the Bush Dynasty.

Obama created this and that is unforgivable!

Friggin Pootin would be running for cover if we didn't turn our backs on our Ukrainian allies to "avoid WW3"

Pootin doesn't have the guts or the stomach to have a ww3 with NATO. He is just a bull dog that sniffed Obama's stupid indecision! Stupid idiot Obama withdrew out of Iraq way too early too and created a mess.

Get the tuck out Obama! It's a big responsibility to be President of the USA and yuk're a friggin huge failure! :roll:

Try to think before you post such utter crap.
Your naivity is having the best of you.
So you want WW3 , do you ?


You don't have a friggin clue what you're on about.

You eagerly present your views as those of a mature and a wise man. You are nothing of the sort. You are indeed an extremely naive individual who has views devoid of substance and even more, wisdom.


You are a complete idiot for supporting the Assad Status Quo.

Have you ever asked yourself what it is that the Syrians want when they started the Spring against his rule? The vast majority don't want him and the FSA along with other groups are the best hope for the successful completion of this revolution.

Pootin's actions have without doubt deepened the Syrian Crisis and unless there is some kind of consensus between the USA and Russia, this war is going to go on for years with no end in sight. We will not accept a consensus which involves Assad so that leaves Pootin in a difficult jam.


You cant see the forest through the trees re Pahitis. Your fixated on Assad like a cat is fixated on the dancing dot from a laser pen.

ISIS are the entity that have deepened the Syrian crisis. ISIS would have been extinguished years ago if they didn't have any buyers for ;

* the oil they smuggle out of Iraq and Syria.
* the antiquities they pillage.
* the ransoms they demand.

Or if they didn't have backward despots and corrupt politicians sponsoring them.

They wouldn't be able to sustain their reign of terror without financing and the supply of weapons.

Have another guess as to who's actions have deepened the Syrian crisis and I will come back with some more information for you. (hint, its not Pootins' actions)
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Re: Stupid Obama: we should have deployed to Ukraine

Postby miltiades » Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:18 pm

Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:US and NATO troops should have deployed to Ukraine.

Stupid Obama doesn't know what he is doing. Thank God we have elections in the USA because we need the Republicans in office ASAP!

If you think I am extreme, just wait till the Americans ditch Obama for the Bush Dynasty.

Obama created this and that is unforgivable!

Friggin Pootin would be running for cover if we didn't turn our backs on our Ukrainian allies to "avoid WW3"

Pootin doesn't have the guts or the stomach to have a ww3 with NATO. He is just a bull dog that sniffed Obama's stupid indecision! Stupid idiot Obama withdrew out of Iraq way too early too and created a mess.

Get the tuck out Obama! It's a big responsibility to be President of the USA and yuk're a friggin huge failure! :roll:

Try to think before you post such utter crap.
Your naivity is having the best of you.
So you want WW3 , do you ?


You don't have a friggin clue what you're on about.

You eagerly present your views as those of a mature and a wise man. You are nothing of the sort. You are indeed an extremely naive individual who has views devoid of substance and even more, wisdom.


You are a complete idiot for supporting the Assad Status Quo.

Have you ever asked yourself what it is that the Syrians want when they started the Spring against his rule? The vast majority don't want him and the FSA along with other groups are the best hope for the successful completion of this revolution.

Pootin's actions have without doubt deepened the Syrian Crisis and unless there is some kind of consensus between the USA and Russia, this war is going to go on for years with no end in sight. We will not accept a consensus which involves Assad so that leaves Pootin in a difficult jam.

You have become the most boring uninteresting contributor on the forum. Do you really care so much whether one dictator is or is not replaced by another. Your persistent drivle is due to the fact that you are still wet behind the ear. Grow up and shut up
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Re: Stupid Obama: we should have deployed to Ukraine

Postby Paphitis » Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:20 am

miltiades wrote:You have become the most boring uninteresting contributor on the forum. Do you really care so much whether one dictator is or is not replaced by another. Your persistent drivle is due to the fact that you are still wet behind the ear. Grow up and shut up


Yes I really do care and every country will transition at some stage.

I actually think it is very important that Syrians no matter which Muslim sect they are a part of, Christians and Kurds are treated equally and given the same opportunities and because this uprising was begun by the Syrian People several years ago and escalated by Assad into Civil War, it is important for the International Community to help them achieve the objectives that the Arab Spring set out to achieve otherwise there will be further bloodshed.

You need to adjust your compass because of your belief that the Syrians need a dictator to keep peace. That is not the case and that is not what they want and we need to support their quest otherwise it is YOU who has become the most uninteresting but further to this it is YOU who is a disgusting racist and a selfish human being because you will close your eyes to the suffering of millions who do not have rights in their own country so that you are not disturbed when having dinner with news of bloodshed. The bloodshed is unfortunately what many Syrians will face in order for their children to have better lives. It is sad that some today will make sacrifices for the future, but they do it for a better tomorrow.

Further to this, their victory is assured. It is just hard to get there, blood will spill, but it is the only way to ensure it doesn't happen again.
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Re: Stupid Obama: we should have deployed to Ukraine

Postby Paphitis » Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:37 am

Tim Drayton wrote:Some recent comments by Obama:

“It is not just my view, but the view of my closest military and civilian advisers, that (sending more U.S. troops) would be a mistake,”

“My only interest is to end suffering and to keep the American people safe. And if there’s a good idea out there, then we’re going to do it,” he said. “But what we do not do, what I do not do is to take actions either because it is going to work politically or it is going to somehow, in the abstract, make America look tough, or make me look tough. And maybe part of the reason is because every few months I go to Walter Reed [National Military Medical Center in Bethesda, Md.], and I see a 25-year-old kid who’s paralyzed or has lost his limbs, and some of those are people I’ve ordered into battle. And so I can’t afford to play some of the political games that others may.”

That would be a mistake, Obama said, “not because our military could not march into Mosul, or Raqqa, or Ramadi and temporarily clear out ISIL.” An operation on that scale, he said, would ultimately fail because it would not reflect any of the lessons learned from the Iraq invasion of 2003, which deposed a leader and left no “local populations that are committed to inclusive governance and who are pushing back against ideological extremes.”

Problems like the rise of ISIS would only resurface he said, “unless we are prepared to have a permanent occupation” in the countries that are breeding grounds for terrorists.

“Let’s assume we were to send 50,000 troops into Syria,” he said. “What happens when there is a terrorist attack generated from Yemen? Do we then send more troops into there? Or Libya, perhaps. Or if there’s a terrorist network that’s operating anywhere else in North Africa or Southeast Asia. So a strategy has to be one that can be sustained.”


http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2015/ ... ke/123730/

I actually think that this is some of the most intelligent and joined up thinking out there. Essentially, the root of the problem has to be eradicated – the existence radical, intolerant, fundamentalist Islamism – otherwise new shoots will keep pushing up every time you think you have hacked down all of the foliage. This will only happen when a powerful movement similar to the European Renaissance takes hold in the Middle East, and I believe it will eventually in reaction to the horrors we are now witnessing. This cannot be imposed from outside or forced on people through military action. The irony is, even though Obama seems to be taking so much flack, his policies gradually seem to be bearing fruit with the Iraqi armed forces now surrounding Ramadi ready to liberate it from Daesh.


The end game for me Tim are the objectives of the Arab Spring. I think that you would probably agree with that.

DAESH in reality are a small part of the Greater Syrian War. Yes they must be eradicated and the ideology must be confronted and DAESH is in my opinion on its last legs. The Rissians are now cooperating with the Coalition and the war against DAESH is achieving better results due to better International Cooperation. So the French Terror attacks have achieved that for us and Pootin is coordinating more of his attacks against DAESH and has left the FSA alone.

There may even be a ceasefire. That is a positive step.

The next step is to get all these parties to the negotiating table. You can't bomb all of them to oblivion but a transitional process can be achieved with International Observation teams. Things are getting more positive.

But Assad, has got to go as well as DAESH. Maybe Pootin has changed a bit seeing that his country has been a recent victim of terrorism like France.
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Re: Stupid Obama: we should have deployed to Ukraine

Postby miltiades » Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:21 am

Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:You have become the most boring uninteresting contributor on the forum. Do you really care so much whether one dictator is or is not replaced by another. Your persistent drivle is due to the fact that you are still wet behind the ear. Grow up and shut up


Yes I really do care and every country will transition at some stage.

I actually think it is very important that Syrians no matter which Muslim sect they are a part of, Christians and Kurds are treated equally and given the same opportunities and because this uprising was begun by the Syrian People several years ago and escalated by Assad into Civil War, it is important for the International Community to help them achieve the objectives that the Arab Spring set out to achieve otherwise there will be further bloodshed.

You need to adjust your compass because of your belief that the Syrians need a dictator to keep peace. That is not the case and that is not what they want and we need to support their quest otherwise it is YOU who has become the most uninteresting but further to this it is YOU who is a disgusting racist and a selfish human being because you will close your eyes to the suffering of millions who do not have rights in their own country so that you are not disturbed when having dinner with news of bloodshed. The bloodshed is unfortunately what many Syrians will face in order for their children to have better lives. It is sad that some today will make sacrifices for the future, but they do it for a better tomorrow.

Further to this, their victory is assured. It is just hard to get there, blood will spill, but it is the only way to ensure it doesn't happen again.

Your compassion for the people of Syria is noted, also your views that NATO should have intervened militarily in Ukraine which would inevitably have led to WW3.

I have urged you before that you must think before posting. A few years back you supported war against Turkey by Cyprus, concurring with the psychopath that Turkey could be defeated by the CNG, on its own.

Back to the ME now.

My support for the West is well noted, however as stated many times this support is not blind but realistic.
The ME has for hundreds of years or even thousands been ruled by either a dictatorship or authoritarian regimes. The Arab spring has produced not a single democracy, on the contrary all it has produced is total chaos. Libya, Yemen, Syria and partly Egypt currently ruled by an authoritarian regime. Saudi Arabia is by no means a democracy, why not support a change there too.

Iraq also, an utter mess without the rule of a dictator.

The quicker the West accepts that the ME is best ruled by authoritarian regimes the better for the people of the ME,

Democratic systems are not compatible with Islamic theocratic regimes and never will be. The Arab spring has yet to start, it will do so when mentalities in these regions begin to re examine their blind adherence to a theocratic cohesion handed down from generation to generation. It is literally this obsession that deprives the ME of true democracy.

Are you able to enlighten us as to who will rule Syria once Assad departs. Let me tell you. CHAOS. Just like the departure of Gaddafi, Sadam and others.

The West ought to concentrate not on the removal of Assad but the defeat of the savages that call them selves Isis.
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