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Re: Turkey shoots down a Russian jet

Postby Lordo » Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:16 pm

Paphitis wrote:Meanwhile, Spudnik is reporting that Turkish subs are following Russian Cruiser Moskva.

http://m.sputniknews.com/asia/20151201/ ... -ship.html

if they sink it, how will they know who sunk it?
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Re: Turkey shoots down a Russian jet

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:18 pm

Lordo wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Meanwhile, Spudnik is reporting that Turkish subs are following Russian Cruiser Moskva.

http://m.sputniknews.com/asia/20151201/ ... -ship.html

if they sink it, how will they know who sunk it?


Gawd, I bet the smell in that Turkish submarine was unbearable once they realised they had drawn up close to a Russian cruiser. :P
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Re: Turkey shoots down a Russian jet

Postby Lordo » Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:23 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Meanwhile, Spudnik is reporting that Turkish subs are following Russian Cruiser Moskva.

http://m.sputniknews.com/asia/20151201/ ... -ship.html

if they sink it, how will they know who sunk it?


Gawd, I bet the smell in that Turkish submarine was unbearable once they realised they had drawn up close to a Russian cruiser. :P

you tellin me the russians have gone into the med without protection from a sub. how stupid are these people. general zukov will be turning in his grave
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Re: Turkey shoots down a Russian jet

Postby erolz66 » Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:56 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:After all, there was never such an entity as "Turkey" until less than a century ago and you would have no problem equating that area as 'belonging to Turkey'.


I accept that the area that defined Turkey as a nation and state when it was created as such is the area that can be said to belong to Turkey. I do not claim that all the areas that were in the ottoman empire and not part of what is today Turkey can be sensibly said to be given back to Turkey. They could be said to be given back to Turks, but not to Turkey, because as you rightly say Turkey did not exist back then - thus there can be no giving BACK because Turkey never had dominion over those areas. Exactly the same as with you saying Russia should hand what is today Turkey BACK to Greece. It is a stupid thing to say because Greece never had dominion over those areas. Greeks may have but not Greeks.

Pedantic as my point may be it is logical and sound and consistent. Of course none of this matters to you because actual reality is irrelevant to you. You said it should be handed back to Greece and thus that MUST be right - for no other reason than you said it. Actual reality remains irrelevant in the face of that need of yours, as ever.
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Re: Turkey shoots down a Russian jet

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:02 pm

erolz66 wrote:I do not claim that all the areas that were in the ottoman empire and not part of what is today Turkey can be sensibly said to be given back to Turkey.


No, Mr. Imperialist. It's not about giving territory back to "Empires" so forget your "Ottoman Empire" once and for all.
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Re: Turkey shoots down a Russian jet

Postby Get Real! » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:02 pm

Russian Foreign Exchange Students in Turkey to Be Recalled ASAP <-- Every recall is music to my ears!
http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151201/ ... dents.html

Time to Kick Turkey Out of NATO? Ankara Playing Dangerous Games With ISIL
http://sputniknews.com/politics/2015112 ... -isil.html

Russian FM arrives to Cyprus <-- What does Russia want from us? Nothing to do with the CyProb I assure you!
http://www.cna.org.cy/webnewsEN.asp?a=1 ... 1f4a39d2e3

Turkish Media Claim Russia Helping YPG in Northern Aleppo
http://en.alalam.ir/news/1765330#sthash.VBPM0U4W.dpuf
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Re: Turkey shoots down a Russian jet

Postby MR-from-NG » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:05 pm

erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:After all, there was never such an entity as "Turkey" until less than a century ago and you would have no problem equating that area as 'belonging to Turkey'.


I accept that the area that defined Turkey as a nation and state when it was created as such is the area that can be said to belong to Turkey. I do not claim that all the areas that were in the ottoman empire and not part of what is today Turkey can be sensibly said to be given back to Turkey. They could be said to be given back to Turks, but not to Turkey, because as you rightly say Turkey did not exist back then - thus there can be no giving BACK because Turkey never had dominion over those areas. Exactly the same as with you saying Russia should hand what is today Turkey BACK to Greece. It is a stupid thing to say because Greece never had dominion over those areas. Greeks may have but not Greeks.

Pedantic as my point may be it is logical and sound and consistent. Of course none of this matters to you because actual reality is irrelevant to you. You said it should be handed back to Greece and thus that MUST be right - for no other reason than you said it. Actual reality remains irrelevant in the face of that need of yours, as ever.

gig? Good education gone to waste. Such an articulate person, clearly well educated and yet the most childish and stupid contributor to the forum. The mind boggles.
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Re: Turkey shoots down a Russian jet

Postby MR-from-NG » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:09 pm

Sorry,I forgot to add UNPLEASANT.
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Re: Turkey shoots down a Russian jet

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:17 pm

Get Real! wrote:Time to Kick Turkey Out of NATO? Ankara Playing Dangerous Games With ISIL
http://sputniknews.com/politics/2015112 ... -isil.html


The reasons for kicking Turkey out of NATO have been mounting up for years! How ironic that it will be Russia that will help clean up the mess that NATO has become whilst Turkey has gone unchecked.

This is how Turkey treats a fellow NATO member:

According to the latest data of the Hellenic National Defense General Staff, since 2011, more than 7,000 aircrafts have been increasingly violating Greek sovereignty in the Aegean. Specifically: 3,545 Infringements of Air Traffic Regulations, 6,421 Violations of National Air Space and 64 Overflights of National Territory.

These numbers include 878 armed formations, which brings the significance of the threat to a whole other level. Join us in demanding that Turkey end its violations of Greek airspace:

http://hellenicleaders.com/EndOverflights

Turkish President Erdogan has dramatically increased his country's violations of Greek airspace.


http://hellenicleaders.com/EndOverflights
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Re: Turkey shoots down a Russian jet

Postby MR-from-NG » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:22 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Time to Kick Turkey Out of NATO? Ankara Playing Dangerous Games With ISIL
http://sputniknews.com/politics/2015112 ... -isil.html


The reasons for kicking Turkey out of NATO have been mounting up for years! How ironic that it will be Russia that will help clean up the mess that NATO has become whilst Turkey has gone unchecked.

This is how Turkey treats a fellow NATO member:

According to the latest data of the Hellenic National Defense General Staff, since 2011, more than 7,000 aircrafts have been increasingly violating Greek sovereignty in the Aegean. Specifically: 3,545 Infringements of Air Traffic Regulations, 6,421 Violations of National Air Space and 64 Overflights of National Territory.

These numbers include 878 armed formations, which brings the significance of the threat to a whole other level. Join us in demanding that Turkey end its violations of Greek airspace:

http://hellenicleaders.com/EndOverflights

Turkish President Erdogan has dramatically increased his country's violations of Greek airspace.


http://hellenicleaders.com/EndOverflights


This person is worst than you GIG. You have every right to complain about him. He is the one person that beats you in stupidity and unpleasantness. He should be in a straitjacket. As for you? Please, get psychiatric help.
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