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Re: Two more journalists detained in Turkey

Postby kurupetos » Mon Dec 07, 2015 10:07 pm

Indeed religion is bad, but you should know that Christianity is NOT a religion. :wink:
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Re: Two more journalists detained in Turkey

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Dec 07, 2015 11:02 pm

...anything to excess is bad. There is as much good as there is bad in anything; that too is true.

(our lives themselves are so fragile, what God shows us is that balance is important)

...as with Erdogan, his extremes, he only creates equals and opposing forces. In the Context of Humanity, neither he nor any combination of religions (read: religious leaders) have the power to control their destiny as a whole, the whole is so much bigger, and in any case for the individuals involved like the rest of us there is death. This stuff is costing us, so much hate, following hate.

As for Turkey it will take years, in my opinion a longer road than Greece, to recover from the damage that is/has being done.

Lol, the Army, eviscerated, will still commit to overthrowing Erdogan, and win, with the support of the people; and Gul may return, if he goes too far.
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Re: Two more journalists detained in Turkey

Postby Get Real! » Mon Dec 07, 2015 11:04 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...anything to excess is bad. There is as much good as there is bad in anything; that too is true.

You mean like your pot smoking draining your brain cells...
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Re: Two more journalists detained in Turkey

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Dec 07, 2015 11:22 pm

...whatever GR.
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Re: Two more journalists detained in Turkey

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:10 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...anything to excess is bad. There is as much good as there is bad in anything; that too is true.

(our lives themselves are so fragile, what God shows us is that balance is important)

...as with Erdogan, his extremes, he only creates equals and opposing forces. In the Context of Humanity, neither he nor any combination of religions (read: religious leaders) have the power to control their destiny as a whole, the whole is so much bigger, and in any case for the individuals involved like the rest of us there is death. This stuff is costing us, so much hate, following hate.

As for Turkey it will take years, in my opinion a longer road than Greece, to recover from the damage that is/has being done.

Lol, the Army, eviscerated, will still commit to overthrowing Erdogan, and win, with the support of the people; and Gul may return, if he goes too far.


Forget the army. The AKP has been carefully controlling who enters the military training academies for years now and making sure that they are all AKP supporters. The sons of military officers, in particular, have been barred from entering. Erdoğan now appears to have the whole lot stitched up and under his control - the police, the judiciary, the civil service, the military, the intelligence service ... they are all at his command. Most people now think that the only force capable of staging a coup are the Gulenists, who are organised to an extent in the military. Hopefully, though, the era of coups and the military guardianship are over in Turkey. It is not the right way.

As to:
"As for Turkey it will take years, in my opinion a longer road than Greece, to recover from the damage that is/has being done."
I fully agree, and the longer it goes on for the more damage will be done.

I am not sure why you are a fan of Gül. His roots are also in the AKP.
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Re: Two more journalists detained in Turkey

Postby MR-from-NG » Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:28 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...anything to excess is bad. There is as much good as there is bad in anything; that too is true.

(our lives themselves are so fragile, what God shows us is that balance is important)

...as with Erdogan, his extremes, he only creates equals and opposing forces. In the Context of Humanity, neither he nor any combination of religions (read: religious leaders) have the power to control their destiny as a whole, the whole is so much bigger, and in any case for the individuals involved like the rest of us there is death. This stuff is costing us, so much hate, following hate.

As for Turkey it will take years, in my opinion a longer road than Greece, to recover from the damage that is/has being done.

Lol, the Army, eviscerated, will still commit to overthrowing Erdogan, and win, with the support of the people; and Gul may return, if he goes too far.


Forget the army. The AKP has been carefully controlling who enters the military training academies for years now and making sure that they are all AKP supporters. The sons of military officers, in particular, have been barred from entering. Erdoğan now appears to have the whole lot stitched up and under his control - the police, the judiciary, the civil service, the military, the intelligence service ... they are all at his command. Most people now think that the only force capable of staging a coup are the Gulenists, who are organised to an extent in the military. Hopefully, though, the era of coups and the military guardianship are over in Turkey. It is not the right way.

As to:
"As for Turkey it will take years, in my opinion a longer road than Greece, to recover from the damage that is/has being done."
I fully agree, and the longer it goes on for the more damage will be done.

I am not sure why you are a fan of Gül. His roots are also in the AKP.


They have all been BOUGHT. They are all corrupt, thieves and liars. I say this man, RTE is a nutcase and should be in a straitjacket, but you've got to give him credit where credit is due, the man is a brilliant crook, spectacular liar and has skin as thick as a crocodiles. I used to feel sorry for the Turks, now I just think they've got what they deserve/voted for.
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Re: Two more journalists detained in Turkey

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:42 pm

MR-from-NG wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...anything to excess is bad. There is as much good as there is bad in anything; that too is true.

(our lives themselves are so fragile, what God shows us is that balance is important)

...as with Erdogan, his extremes, he only creates equals and opposing forces. In the Context of Humanity, neither he nor any combination of religions (read: religious leaders) have the power to control their destiny as a whole, the whole is so much bigger, and in any case for the individuals involved like the rest of us there is death. This stuff is costing us, so much hate, following hate.

As for Turkey it will take years, in my opinion a longer road than Greece, to recover from the damage that is/has being done.

Lol, the Army, eviscerated, will still commit to overthrowing Erdogan, and win, with the support of the people; and Gul may return, if he goes too far.


Forget the army. The AKP has been carefully controlling who enters the military training academies for years now and making sure that they are all AKP supporters. The sons of military officers, in particular, have been barred from entering. Erdoğan now appears to have the whole lot stitched up and under his control - the police, the judiciary, the civil service, the military, the intelligence service ... they are all at his command. Most people now think that the only force capable of staging a coup are the Gulenists, who are organised to an extent in the military. Hopefully, though, the era of coups and the military guardianship are over in Turkey. It is not the right way.

As to:
"As for Turkey it will take years, in my opinion a longer road than Greece, to recover from the damage that is/has being done."
I fully agree, and the longer it goes on for the more damage will be done.

I am not sure why you are a fan of Gül. His roots are also in the AKP.


They have all been BOUGHT. They are all corrupt, thieves and liars. I say this man, RTE is a nutcase and should be in a straitjacket, but you've got to give him credit where credit is due, the man is a brilliant crook, spectacular liar and has skin as thick as a crocodiles. I used to feel sorry for the Turks, now I just think they've got what they deserve/voted for.


I don't know how many people from Turkey you know, but I know plenty, and most of them also detest the crook. I also have my doubts about the repeat elections held because RTE couldn't get the result he wanted in June - apart from the fact that they were blatantly gerrymandered through means ranging from the state TRT television not giving any coverage whatsoever to opposition parties even though it has a statutory mandate to be impartial to the HDP party having more than one hundred of its election offices burnt down and its election manifestos confiscated to EU election observers being beaten up and expelled from polling stations by AKP thugs (to say nothing of the six HDP election workers who were hospitalised at polling stations by thugs from that party) - because the result, which was declared in an amazingly short space of time and deviated markedly from what all the polls predicted, appears to many people to have been doctored. If so, the argument that this is what the Turkish people voted for does not hold water. On the other hand, I accept that the AKP has a solid support base in certain parts of the country and among certain strata of the population.
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Re: Two more journalists detained in Turkey

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:45 pm

PS - I agree that Erdoğan is far from stupid and is a master at exploiting the fears and prejudices of the type of people who are his natural supporters.
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Re: Two more journalists detained in Turkey

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:19 pm

...typo, Gulen (from America), not Gul.

...while Gul is an AKP member, he withdrew, (or was pushed out); says something i suppose.
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Re: Two more journalists detained in Turkey

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:38 am

repulsewarrior wrote:...typo, Gulen (from America), not Gul.

...while Gul is an AKP member, he withdrew, (or was pushed out); says something i suppose.


Gül was the first AKP politician to be made president and, as per the constitution, resigned from the party, as Erdoğan technically has. Gül did stick to the constitutional role of the president while in office, though. I think he is now part of the party again. If not, he remains close to it. He gave some kind of lecture to the Tunisian leadership last week as to how they should run their country in which he extolled the virtues of the AKP. He even gave them advice on tackling corruption, which is a bit rich given that his party harbours the biggest thieves in the history of the republic. Rumours do sometimes circulate that Gül would like to break away and form a new party taking a segment of the AKP with him and attracting right-wingers from elsewhere, but this looks unfeasible in the environment following the recent repeat election
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