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Re: tradgic human cost of austerity in Greece

Postby RichardB » Fri Nov 27, 2015 9:54 pm

erolz66 wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/love-sex/young-women-selling-sex-for-the-price-of-a-sandwich-in-greece-a6751061.html

:cry:


Interesting that. Mind its still cheaper in Blackpool (out of season)
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Re: tradgic human cost of austerity in Greece

Postby Sotos » Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:50 am

erolz66 wrote:
Sotos wrote:It takes 30 seconds to find the info.. so not much time needed. Unfortunately Wikipedia only mentions that in Turkey all brothels are government owned... no prices of Turkish prostitutes given. So ask and tell us... then we will have a valid basis for comparison.


Maybe if you had taken 45 seconds you might not have come to such an erroneous conclusion ? Legal brothels in Turkey are regulated by the State but not owned by them. Much the same as they are in Greece. In the 90's the top tax payer in Istanbul 5 years running was a Turkish woman (of Armenian descent) who made her fortune from the running of Brothels.

http://articles.latimes.com/2001/feb/21/local/me-28146

Pretty off topic really - but then when the topic is not to you tastes, what else to do but go off topic I guess.


I spend another 10 seconds and came up with this: http://www.eurasianet.org/node/66593 Erdogan apparently closed some of his brothels. They sited some religious reasons but my guess is that he couldn't turn much profit because prostitutes in Turkey are so cheap ;)
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Re: tradgic human cost of austerity in Greece

Postby Get Real! » Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:56 am

The sandwich story sounds pretty stupid and far fetched. A local guy in the reader message section seems to make more sense than the sensationalist article...

Guys this is a total lie.The price starts at 50 or 20 euros depending if you are going to a studio or just a room that you can find, there are some very dirty ones with 10 euros and only Trans work with 3 euros. Also you can hardly find a greek girl.Nowadays you can find a lot fo eastern european ones with perfect command of the greek language ,but they are not Greek. So bros dont a book a ticket the prices are still the same


There are far too many British newspapers manufacturing junk these days.
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Re: tradgic human cost of austerity in Greece

Postby DrCyprus » Sat Nov 28, 2015 1:19 am

ITT: Greeks and Turks trying to one up each other over who has the cheapest prostitutes.

I will join in for fun.

lol unibrow hooknosed Turkish prostitutes pay you 50 euros to hug them for 5 seconds.
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Re: tradgic human cost of austerity in Greece

Postby erolz66 » Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:31 am

Get Real! wrote: There are far too many British newspapers manufacturing junk these days.


The newspaper stories (in the times and independent and others) are based on the work of Gregory Laxos, a sociology professor at the Panteion University in Athens and the result of a three year study. Sure the 2 euro figure is a newspaper headline figure and it is an 'as low as' figure. To pick that out and use it as the headline - that is what newspapers do, worldwide, in order to sell news papers. That does not mean that such reports are meaningless - it just means you need to read them as a rational adult. You can of course just ignore what the report (not the newspaper headlines about the report) seems to suggest, bury your head in the sand and just write it all off as 'well its still worse elsewhere' or more specifically 'its worse in Turkey' as is usual here. To me it brought home how real and deep the affects of austerity in Greece have been on ordinary people living there. The estimate that 80% of prostitutes working in Greece today are themselves Greek, where as previously they were not, to me was quite profound. I do not know Greece as a country or its people but I imagine that the similarities with Cyprus are real. In (what I imagine to be) such a deeply conservative country that there has been such a shift to me has brought home the reality of the effects of austerity much more strongly than images of food banks or % of unemployed or youth unemployed or any number of other 'images' used to illustrate the human effects of austerity there. I know Cyprus and I know the north. We have state controlled / regulated prostitution here. If I try an imagine a level of economic hardship here that would lead to the majority of those working as prostitutes being Cypriot and not as is the case today foreigners, it leaves me in a state of shock.

I could have, here in this place, this forum, where some people seem to regularly speak about fing dead peoples mothers and such like and others seem to think the only point of such a forum is to denigrate and degrade whole nationalities with relentless passion, easily have chosen to make some provocative joke or barb about this report and the newspaper reports about it. I have not chosen to do such, though doing so would indeed fit the 'spirit' of this place. I have not chosen to do so because I actually have some basic humanity and empathy. I was genuinely shocked at what this report brought home to me in regards to the severity of the impact that austerity in Greece has had and is having on those living there. Tragic was the word I used in the title.
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Re: tradgic human cost of austerity in Greece

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Nov 28, 2015 11:53 am

erolz66 wrote: I have not chosen to do so because I actually have some basic humanity and empathy.


What your compatriot, Mustiejodo, posts probably reveals what goes on in the minds of those ill-informed youths that turn into jihadists and go and fight for ISIS. Dangerous but easy to identify.

More dangerous are those who work to subvert and erode the character of a nation.

If you were honest, you would admit that topics such as this are posted only to fulfill a subversive agenda and not because you find prostitution (the oldest profession) so "tragic".

It also fulfills your usual agenda of diverting attention away from real issues (as you did last week) - trying to minimize the impact from Turkish atrocities against Russians and their own journalists.
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Re: tradgic human cost of austerity in Greece

Postby cypriotnado » Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:11 pm

Russia has a pretty poor record on freespeech and has a rather high number of murdered journalists. Despite your distortions they are no better then Turkey infact they are worst

https://cpj.org/europe/russia/
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Re: tradgic human cost of austerity in Greece

Postby Tim Drayton » Sat Nov 28, 2015 2:46 pm

cypriotnado wrote:Russia has a pretty poor record on freespeech and has a rather high number of murdered journalists. Despite your distortions they are no better then Turkey infact they are worst

https://cpj.org/europe/russia/


Agreed. There is no moral basis that I can see for criticising one totalitarian regime unless you oppose totalitarianism per se, which means opposing all totalitarian regimes.
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Re: tradgic human cost of austerity in Greece

Postby Sotos » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:38 pm

cypriotnado wrote:Russia has a pretty poor record on freespeech and has a rather high number of murdered journalists. Despite your distortions they are no better then Turkey infact they are worst

https://cpj.org/europe/russia/


What is most obvious is that the Republic of Cyprus is WAY better than Turkey in everything that has to do with democracy, human rights, freedom of speech, respect of minority groups etc and still you are trying to blackmail us to compromise to something way worst (legalization of ethnic cleansing, discrimination of citizens based on their language/religion, segregation, a less democratic system etc). We have several other minorities in Cyprus and none of them demand such things. What I want for Cyprus is to be even better. We can continue to improve ourselves but unfortunately the Turks will always hold Cyprus back from its full potential :(
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Re: tradgic human cost of austerity in Greece

Postby cypriotnado » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:41 pm

Sotos wrote:
cypriotnado wrote:Russia has a pretty poor record on freespeech and has a rather high number of murdered journalists. Despite your distortions they are no better then Turkey infact they are worst

https://cpj.org/europe/russia/


What is most obvious is that the Republic of Cyprus is WAY better than Turkey in everything that has to do with democracy, human rights, freedom of speech etc and still you are trying to blackmail us to compromise to something way worst (legalization of ethnic cleansing, discrimination of citizens based on their language/religion, segregation, a less democratic system etc). We have several other minorities in Cyprus and none of them demand such things. What I want for Cyprus is to be even better. We can continue to improve ourselves but unfortunately the Turks will always hold Cyprus back from its full potential :(



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