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Re: What do the Yanks have that the CNG needs?

Postby kurupetos » Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:12 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:Why not deploy the s300 system that Cyprus has and stored in Crete ?.... There are surplus m1 Abrams sitting in the desert in Arizona that would look real good with the cng emblem..dirt cheap.. And some apaches about 100 of them ...500/.600 poutounta cruise ...kamia dthkiashia f16...ferte mas jai kamposos pyravlous...jai dthkiashous shilades heribillides/ mavrous/jai .mexicanous ...ean thelete .tipote alo varte to pastin lista

Embargo... :roll:

Russian weaponry seems superior anyway. We only need to lease some FOABs and we are done... :wink:
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Re: What do the Yanks have that the CNG needs?

Postby Nikitas » Sun Nov 29, 2015 6:02 pm

The question is what cost the CNG can cause and thus thwart any move against the free areas. If in the first 24 hours of the conflict there are substantial ship, plane and armor losses the situation will change fast. These losses, seeing the latest developments, can be caused by relatively cheap "dumb" weapons firing advanced munitions. The 105mm artillery pieces can reach to 25 miles out to sea and smart shells offer 95 per cent hit probability, the same goes for mortar and armor. The situation has economic parameters, as when a 25000 dollar shell can disable a 500 000 dollar ship. The question is whether the CNG leadership follows these developments and actively experiments or whether it is stuck in antiquated stuff taught at the "war college".

As for anti aircraft defence, that is a part where there should have been local technology developed and tactics honed to the point that each enemy sortie has a heavy cost. Again, is there such a commitment or is it deemed enough to buy some impressive sounding "system" and parade it for the crowds to cheer?
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Re: What do the Yanks have that the CNG needs?

Postby Paphitis » Mon Nov 30, 2015 2:51 am

Nikitas wrote:The question is what cost the CNG can cause and thus thwart any move against the free areas. If in the first 24 hours of the conflict there are substantial ship, plane and armor losses the situation will change fast. These losses, seeing the latest developments, can be caused by relatively cheap "dumb" weapons firing advanced munitions. The 105mm artillery pieces can reach to 25 miles out to sea and smart shells offer 95 per cent hit probability, the same goes for mortar and armor. The situation has economic parameters, as when a 25000 dollar shell can disable a 500 000 dollar ship. The question is whether the CNG leadership follows these developments and actively experiments or whether it is stuck in antiquated stuff taught at the "war college".

As for anti aircraft defence, that is a part where there should have been local technology developed and tactics honed to the point that each enemy sortie has a heavy cost. Again, is there such a commitment or is it deemed enough to buy some impressive sounding "system" and parade it for the crowds to cheer?


Fighters like the F-18F can cause a lot of damage on an unprecedented level.

Firstly, you want to cause maximum infrastructure loss to the enemy. So what will you bomb. All kinds of things like:
1) electricity grid,
2) dams,
3) oil refineries and fuel storage,
4) completely destroy Kyrenia Harbour,
5) completely destroy Famagusta Harbour,
6) destroy all airports,
7) bomb important buildings like their fake Parliament
8. Bomb bases
9) bomb TV stations, highways, communications, radar sites, military bases and generally terrorize the general public to the point that civilians are scared to venture out of their homes.

Make sure there is no electricity and no water.

Also you are able to defend yourself from TAF attacks.

No mortar, artillery or missiles can do all that so efficiently in a matter of a very few hours.

You can also attack large concentrations or build ups of military, convoys, armour, completely destroy all Air Defence and just hit anything that will make life very difficult and miserable for the population. Even the sound of these things in the air will instill much fear and anxiety. There will be anarchy on the streets pre-occupying their security forces. You can also provide the CNG with air cover from possible Turkish attack.

There is no doubt Air Power is extremely important. But it won't win the war. You are maximizing the chances of your own troops survival and its chances to beat the enemy.

Nothing can cause as much mayhem and precise mayhem as having fighter bombers in the air. F-18F, or F35 would be ideal. Very expensive but great capability that will add considerable depth of field.

Most countries will not contemplate sending troops without some form of air cover.

Special Forces are also great because they can paint targets and call in coordinates for a nice precision strike against the enemy.
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Re: What do the Yanks have that the CNG needs?

Postby kurupetos » Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:58 am

:lol: Paphiti... never mind... I'm still laughing.... :lol:
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Re: What do the Yanks have that the CNG needs?

Postby miltiades » Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:38 pm

I suppose while we bomb the shit out of Turkey, NATO's largest army after the USA, the Turkish army will be having their ....nargile !! :lol:
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Re: What do the Yanks have that the CNG needs?

Postby Paphitis » Mon Nov 30, 2015 2:41 pm

kurupetos wrote::lol: Paphiti... never mind... I'm still laughing.... :lol:


What's so funny?

You would use this gear to cause maximum damage if needed or when attacked.

Turkey will do just that to us, so either you have a means to defend yourself or else.
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Re: What do the Yanks have that the CNG needs?

Postby Paphitis » Mon Nov 30, 2015 2:43 pm

miltiades wrote:I suppose while we bomb the shit out of Turkey, NATO's largest army after the USA, the Turkish army will be having their ....nargile !! :lol:


Yes you would. You would bomb their navy base and any aircields in close proximity if you can, in southern Turkey.

There are no rules in war and they will launching aircraft from there to bomb the shit out of Cyprus.

You would even try to attack their ships, if you had a few fighters. You got to give them as much of a bloody nose as possible.

Having these fighters is as much about a deterrence as anything out. It's not about attacking a country but also protecting your interests and things such as your oil and gas fields.

Obviously we will eventually lose our planes, but hopefully only after we completely wipe out all their infrastructure in the occupied areas as well as Defence installations giving the rest of the CNG a fighting chance should it come to that.
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Re: What do the Yanks have that the CNG needs?

Postby Cap » Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:53 pm

Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:I suppose while we bomb the shit out of Turkey, NATO's largest army after the USA, the Turkish army will be having their ....nargile !! :lol:


Yes you would. You would bomb their navy base and any aircields in close proximity if you can, in southern Turkey.

There are no rules in war and they will launching aircraft from there to bomb the shit out of Cyprus.

You would even try to attack their ships, if you had a few fighters. You got to give them as much of a bloody nose as possible.

Having these fighters is as much about a deterrence as anything out. It's not about attacking a country but also protecting your interests and things such as your oil and gas fields.

Obviously we will eventually lose our planes, but hopefully only after we completely wipe out all their infrastructure in the occupied areas as well as Defence installations giving the rest of the CNG a fighting chance should it come to that.


Exactly.

Israel is a shining example.
The Israeli Air Force is the only reason why they continue to exist as a state. Without it, they'd be dust in the wind.
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Re: What do the Yanks have that the CNG needs?

Postby Zenon33 » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:41 pm

Cap wrote:Ok...
What do you guys propose for the Cyprus AirForce.
Let's hear it.



AGM-88, LGM-30 (from the USA)
Tornado GR4 and Eurofighter Typhoon (from UK)
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Re: What do the Yanks have that the CNG needs?

Postby kurupetos » Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:16 am

Zenon33 wrote:
Cap wrote:Ok...
What do you guys propose for the Cyprus AirForce.
Let's hear it.



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Tornado GR4 and Eurofighter Typhoon (from UK)

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