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Re: EU Turkey summit

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:51 pm

Typical. The EU gives money for the refugees and the Turks immediately grab it for themselves! :roll:
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Re: EU Turkey summit

Postby erolz66 » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:11 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Typical. The EU gives money for the refugees and the Turks immediately grab it for themselves! :roll:


Typical. The EU gives Turkey 3 billion Euros to aid it with helping refugees in Turkey and GiG distorts that into Turkey gets nothing and Turks grab it for themselves. I know such things have no relevance to you and your propaganda needs but it is a fact that Turkey currently has 2 million plus refugees within it. To date it has already spent more than 7.5 billion USD on on direct assistance to refugees. Now they have recouped a fraction of that cost from the EU. Those are facts. Claims that Turkey got nothing from the EU is not a fact - it is a made up GiG denial of objective absolute truth. That is what you do GiG. That is what you always do. Truth, reality - these things mean nothing to you at all compared to your propaganda needs. Thus it has always been with you.
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Re: EU Turkey summit

Postby Maximus » Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:18 am

erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Typical. The EU gives money for the refugees and the Turks immediately grab it for themselves! :roll:


Typical. The EU gives Turkey 3 billion Euros to aid it with helping refugees in Turkey and GiG distorts that into Turkey gets nothing and Turks grab it for themselves. I know such things have no relevance to you and your propaganda needs but it is a fact that Turkey currently has 2 million plus refugees within it. To date it has already spent more than 7.5 billion USD on on direct assistance to refugees. Now they have recouped a fraction of that cost from the EU. Those are facts. Claims that Turkey got nothing from the EU is not a fact - it is a made up GiG denial of objective absolute truth. That is what you do GiG. That is what you always do. Truth, reality - these things mean nothing to you at all compared to your propaganda needs. Thus it has always been with you.


A fraction? the EU has given approximately half.

What about your Muslim brothers? whats their contribution?

What about all the oil the Erdogan dynasty and ISIS are plundering from Syria?

What about all those dead?

Turkey probably hasn't lost a cent.
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Re: EU Turkey summit

Postby erolz66 » Mon Nov 30, 2015 2:06 am

Maximus wrote: A fraction? the EU has given approximately half.


Are you suggesting that 1/2 is not a fraction ? Are you trying to out GiG GiG ?

My point was that GiG's claim that Turkey 'walks away with nothing' was just yet another classic example of GiG's systematic denial and distortion of objective absolute truth to suit her propaganda needs. As was her subsequent claim that Turkey was taking the money instead of giving it to refugees, when in fact Turkey has already spent far in excess of this amount on direct assistance to refugees. That is what I was discussing. Do feel free to discus something other than that if you wish, just as I will feel free to stick to discussing what I want to discuss.
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Re: EU Turkey summit

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:49 am

erolz66 wrote:My point was that GiG's claim that Turkey 'walks away with nothing' was just ...


Another of your distortions! That money is meant for the refugees, not for your personal pockets!

“This is not money for Turkey. It’s money for the refugees,” Federica Mogherini, the EU’s chief foreign policy coordinator, told the Guardian.
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Re: EU Turkey summit

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:53 am

Maximus wrote:Turkey probably hasn't lost a cent.


Too right they haven't! Just in selling inflatable dinghies they're hugely profiteering!

For Emre’s shop is where you can buy boats that take refugees to Europe – and where they are still being sold at a rate of nearly a dozen a day.

Each network makes vast profits, although their accounting differs from group to group. Mohamad sets out his accounts as follows: in peak season, a boat of 40 passengers paying $1,200 per person brought in a turnover of $48,000. The brokers would take between $75 and $300 of each payment, leaving at least $36,000 for the rest of the group. During the September peak, the most expensive boat cost $8,500 and the engines cost $4,000, although prices have since fallen. The mechanics and the driver collectively need another $4,000, while hotel rooms for the refugees collectively cost about $500 a night. The beach owners are paid in different ways but often charge a 15% levy on every passenger’s fee – meaning that they pocket about $6,000 per boat.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/n ... -smugglers
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Re: EU Turkey summit

Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:47 am

B25 wrote:Yes and it is being recognised, they are even calling for her expulsion from NATO

http://realbomb.gr/αμερικάνοι-στρατηγοί-ζητούν-πλέον-αν


then we'll see how tough she really is.

Everyone HATES Turkey.
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I am not entirely sure realbomb.gr is a credible news organistation, but rather appears to be more a flashy blog site conveying, conveying the prejudices of the authurs, nor am i certain that quoting two long retired generals, both politcally active, neither is now in a position of authority, one of whom has a known pro Iraeli / anti Islam Stance (Vallely) and the other of whom likely Has an agenda of his own, in support of his political aspirations, gives real credence to any official about the departure of Turkey from NATO, in particular when one report of comments is by the pro Putin Sputnik agency.

Suspect Russian Spin.

I personally wish we could do without Turkey in NATO, i also do not think that Turkey under Erdogone is fit to be in the EU, nor am I certain that it will be in the near future even if he were to go and the excesses of his regime in terms of liberties were to end.

Both Putin and Erdo are trying to restore lost empires. Both are dangerous.

(There is btw a school of thought that for its own cold war ends The former USSR tacitly endorsed the Turkish 1974 Invasion of Cyprus as they were looking for a major dispute btween Greece, And possibly other NATO members, with Turkey. That did not work but Cyprus suffered as a result. I do not think mych has changed. I think if it would split NATO or otherwise help his Imperial ambitions Putin woukd have no trouble consenting to further Turkish takeover of Cyprus.)
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Re: EU Turkey summit

Postby miltiades » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:15 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
erolz66 wrote:My point was that GiG's claim that Turkey 'walks away with nothing' was just ...


Another of your distortions! That money is meant for the refugees, not for your personal pockets!

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Erolz has consistently stated that he is a Cypriot, why do you insist that he is not.
By " your personal pockets" you are inferring that he is Turkish and not a Cypriot / T/C.
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Re: EU Turkey summit

Postby Paphitis » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:22 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:
B25 wrote:Yes and it is being recognised, they are even calling for her expulsion from NATO

http://realbomb.gr/αμερικάνοι-στρατηγοί-ζητούν-πλέον-αν


then we'll see how tough she really is.

Everyone HATES Turkey.
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I am not entirely sure realbomb.gr is a credible news organistation, but rather appears to be more a flashy blog site conveying, conveying the prejudices of the authurs, nor am i certain that quoting two long retired generals, both politcally active, neither is now in a position of authority, one of whom has a known pro Iraeli / anti Islam Stance (Vallely) and the other of whom likely Has an agenda of his own, in support of his political aspirations, gives real credence to any official about the departure of Turkey from NATO, in particular when one report of comments is by the pro Putin Sputnik agency.

Suspect Russian Spin.

I personally wish we could do without Turkey in NATO, i also do not think that Turkey under Erdogone is fit to be in the EU, nor am I certain that it will be in the near future even if he were to go and the excesses of his regime in terms of liberties were to end.

Both Putin and Erdo are trying to restore lost empires. Both are dangerous.

(There is btw a school of thought that for its own cold war ends The former USSR tacitly endorsed the Turkish 1974 Invasion of Cyprus as they were looking for a major dispute btween Greece, And possibly other NATO members, with Turkey. That did not work but Cyprus suffered as a result. I do not think mych has changed. I think if it would split NATO or otherwise help his Imperial ambitions Putin woukd have no trouble consenting to further Turkish takeover of Cyprus.)


You're absolutely correct. The USSR supported the 74 invasion. The reason was to create a rift and fallout within NATO's ranks and a war between Greece and Turkey.

What many don't realize on this forum is that Cyprus was a Cold War pawn. Neither the USA or USSR could give a flying fuck about Cyprus or the Cypriot People. The Anericans wanted to destroy Cyprus because Makarios was friendly towards them. USSR exploited the situation to spark a war and were never prepared to get involved at all unless the Southern Flank was weakened.

There are no official moves from anyone with an ounce of credibility that Turkey will be removed from NATO. It would be good if it were, because Cyprus could then join, but it is all fantasy la la land stuff. At the moment, I think Turkey is the NATO pin up boy within closed circles. They have achieved a lot and Pootin is spitting his chips and we all like to see Pootin spit his chips and dummy. It's absolutely great to watch! :lol:
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Re: EU Turkey summit

Postby Paphitis » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:24 am

miltiades wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
erolz66 wrote:My point was that GiG's claim that Turkey 'walks away with nothing' was just ...


Another of your distortions! That money is meant for the refugees, not for your personal pockets!

Erolz has consistently stated that he is a Cypriot, why do you insist that he is not.
By " your personal pockets" you are inferring that he is Turkish and not a Cypriot / T/C.


You're not Cypriot either! So you go on and talk about the virtues of being British because you don't have the bollocks to be Cypriot, literally!
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