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Re: bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Postby Lordo » Mon Dec 07, 2015 8:53 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...exchange?

not just exchange rw a fair exchange at that. it is not a dirty word. you have 60,000 people who have no intention of returning south so they will exchange. what is so hard to understand. tcs are not going back to the south. i have no doubt some will but most will not.

how else are you going to solve this problem.
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Re: bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Dec 07, 2015 10:30 pm

...nothing "Turkish", or "Greek" about it. All of it is Cypriot. Property is Property and it is the same all over the world. The rest is Political, how much of what will go to the Jurisdictional bodies that are still evolving to include self-representation, power of one kind or the other, for their electors, is another.

...you forget, or ignore, Lordo, that no Greek Constituency exists. A Greek Constituency, an equal to other Cypriot Constituencies could exist, but in affect no Turkish Constituency exists either. It is hopeful with the actions of the few who have the courage to fly the Flag of Cyprus in the occupied north, this differentiation is made more clear, and it speaks volumes.

Anastasiades may put this challenge to those who are not Federalists to found a "Greek Constituency", but it requires from Akinci, a clear recognition and respect, for the Republic, which is in need of reform.

A request for other Cypriot Constituencies to present themselves, while recognising that superior to these states, is the State, the Republic, would be my next step if all else failed, or as a next step beyond what is the recognition of the Republic, the Problem, today. Such a challenge to the other half, who are "Greek" or who claim "Turkishness", may find that it is they who must adapt to the demands from others. As Cypriots, (as voters) having the Liberty to express themselves as Persons, Free, in the same respect by choice, as Individuals.
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Re: bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Postby Get Real! » Mon Dec 07, 2015 11:09 pm

Lordo wrote:bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Bisexuality is the closest you'll ever get...
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Re: bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Postby DT. » Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:23 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Lordo wrote:bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Bisexuality is the closest you'll ever get...

:lol:
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Re: bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Postby Lordo » Tue Dec 08, 2015 1:00 pm

DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Lordo wrote:bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Bisexuality is the closest you'll ever get...

:lol:

you two boys seem to be unusually friendly for two married men. personal experience is it?
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Re: bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Postby Oceanside50 » Fri Dec 11, 2015 6:21 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:
What is a "Turk"? What has "Turkishness" got to do with Cypriots having representation based on Universal Principals, the self-representation which demonstrates the will of Cypriots, as Cypriots?

In my Cyprus Bizonal is not that hard to understand. Regardless of how you divide Cyprus as parts, One Government represents us as Cypriots. One Country exists as a State, and that is the Republic of Cyprus. Under it, all its Citizens are equal, without any discrimination or distinction additionally needed.

Indeed, Cypriot Constituencies exist, and they can be identified by the living relics, language, communities and homes, these Constituents care for till today. As Cypriots, if we are prepared to consider that Cyprus has an Ethnos, (more than "being" mostly Greek,) Cypriots should also be prepared to apply themselves accordingly with Constitutional Reform respecting the nature of this Heritance. If we are prepared to consider that a "Turkish Constituency" should exist, should there be Constituencies for the Maronite, Latin, and Armenian populations which have the same struggle, in terms of sustaining their distinctiveness, as Cypriots. Why not? Why not a Greek Constituency while we're at it? Why not a set of Cypriot Constituencies, at another level of government?

Where in this demand, by or for a Turkish Constituency, is there an effort to represent the principals that clearly indicate an interest in the affairs of Cypriots as a whole? Why are "their" demands so different to my own for example, if "they" care for Cyprus? How are "they" equal to the Republic? They, the occupation's regime, concern themselves with "Turkishness" (and only "Turks" to them are acceptable); there, anyone who dares to fly the Flag of Cyprus risks a great deal of controversy, although just recently, legally, it has been ruled that people have the right to do so.

...in short, such a demand, for "Turks" or "Turkishness", as it is, is asking for a lot, and folly, from a position where (illegally) "they" have much more than they should, "they" seek to care only for themselves, and where "they" "deserve" (and because they have little to offer) very, very, little.

...solution is easy, ask for 7 percent (almost too hard to refuse), and be willing to accept (far) less.

...as for the rest of us, Turcophone, Grecophone, and Cypriot, dividing Cyprus, to "give" some of it away to "someone" who sees us as an "other", seems far fetched, unjust, and a step backwards for Humanity, not just for Cypriots.

http://in-cyprus.com/bizonality-still-a ... rus-talks/



...if a gc, as you call them speaks Turkish, comes to the northern part of the island with the intention to make something for his family, you would refuse him, he could not buy or build a house, because he is not "Turkish"? That you would find it acceptable that if he sent his children to public schools they would not be as welcome? Or that if he worked hard, was successful and pay taxes, that his vote is worth less?


The TC do not have majority anything in the occupied areas.their villages are located throughout Cyprus and actually have minimal legitimacy in places like kyrenia and morphou. Since they want a federation then their cantons are more suited towards Nicosia, paphos Limassol larnaca. Otherwise the TC are beating a dead horse.
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Re: bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Postby Lordo » Fri Dec 11, 2015 6:51 pm

you are about 41 years behind the times you stupid yank. there are no cantons in cyprus no more. we now have a state which either will be a state withing roc or independent. your choice.
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Re: bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Postby Oceanside50 » Fri Dec 11, 2015 7:08 pm

Lordo wrote:you are about 41 years behind the times you stupid yank. there are no cantons in cyprus no more. we now have a state which either will be a state withing roc or independent. your choice.



Only a jackass like koLordo keeps beating a dead horse. The TC north of Nicosia are a mere 8% of the TC population, south of Nicosia is where the remaining 90% are from, legally..
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Re: bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Postby DrCyprus » Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:19 am

Lordo wrote:you are about 41 years behind the times you stupid yank. there are no cantons in cyprus no more. we now have a state which either will be a state withing roc or independent. your choice.


You already declared independence. We already know how that worked.

Now, you have a choice. You can join the 21st century and move forward as part of a united Cyprus, or go backto 1918 and watch the Ottoman empire collapse again in the hands of Antitaturk Erdogan.
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Re: bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Postby Oceanside50 » Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:50 am

Lordo wrote:you are about 41 years behind the times you stupid yank. there are no cantons in cyprus no more. we now have a state which either will be a state withing roc or independent. your choice.


You can't create a bbf, and suspend (temporarily or permanently)eu primary law ... Do you comprehend the lunacy you're asking for?
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