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Re: bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:50 pm

Lordo wrote:
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Lordo wrote:peace agreement means exchange you stupido. after peace those who move north will get their property the rest will be exchanged.

How the fuck do you exchange when there’s only ONE of you for every FIVE native Cypriots? :lol:

Your people owned next to nothing because they were just too few. Have a guess why they’re called a minority… :roll:

Anyway, just give up the fantasies because none of the impossible can ever come to pass.

The CyProb will only be sorted through geopolitical change and upheaval, at some stage in time… get used to it.

you mean like the lomasol man who roc purchased his 50 donum land for 50 million euros. 50 million euros will by you karpaz gavole. what about the gc who exchanged his 600 donum of land with 27 donums of larnaca land. gavole tcs will buy all the gc land in the north and will still have land left in the south. perhaps we need to keep 37% to balance the books.


Lordo, perhaps you can explain, then, why the IPC is incapable of paying what it promised to the those who have already received a Judgment from them? So few have been heard, am i wrong, only this, amounts to something over 100 million? 50 million does not buy the Karpas, and it shows you, 50 million, 30 years ago, how much was that land in Limassol worth?

I wish it was clear, this issue of enclaves, because in essence without the creation of these enclaves, it was not possible to identify a distinct identity that could be called Turkish Cypriot. what is clear, by dividing us, it only served the leadership and elite, fear being an easy weapon to manipulate, (and escalate), so that they respectively could consolidate their grip on power. Indeed, it is the Constitution which needs reform, and it is the compromise that was made, a BBF, which the Republic has committed itself to demonstrate to the rest of Mankind, for Mankind, not "Turks", or "Greeks" for that matter, but for the betterment of the Universal Principals that we have as Human beings, in a greater Family of Man, as Cypriots. While this government is working very hard toward a solution to the Cyprus Problem, the biggest fear is that they will want to close the deal on the conditions presented to them, as though Bizonal would define what is "Turkish", and what is not "Turkish (read: "Greek"). However, one can also take confidence in the fact that Cyprus is a State which has shown great progress since its foundation in 1960, despite the trauma it has suffered, its People have demonstrated their credibility with their inclusion in the EU, and their capacity with its Leadership. Even the Financial meltdown, demonstrates resilience and the significance of Cyprus as a place for facilitating commerce and exchange.

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Re: bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Postby Lordo » Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:09 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Lordo wrote:peace agreement means exchange you stupido. after peace those who move north will get their property the rest will be exchanged.

How the fuck do you exchange when there’s only ONE of you for every FIVE native Cypriots? :lol:

Your people owned next to nothing because they were just too few. Have a guess why they’re called a minority… :roll:

Anyway, just give up the fantasies because none of the impossible can ever come to pass.

The CyProb will only be sorted through geopolitical change and upheaval, at some stage in time… get used to it.

you mean like the lomasol man who roc purchased his 50 donum land for 50 million euros. 50 million euros will by you karpaz gavole. what about the gc who exchanged his 600 donum of land with 27 donums of larnaca land. gavole tcs will buy all the gc land in the north and will still have land left in the south. perhaps we need to keep 37% to balance the books.


Lordo, perhaps you can explain, then, why the IPC is incapable of paying what it promised to the those who have already received a Judgment from them? So few have been heard, am i wrong, only this, amounts to something over 100 million? 50 million does not buy the Karpas, and it shows you, 50 million, 30 years ago, how much was that land in Limassol worth?

I wish it was clear, this issue of enclaves, because in essence without the creation of these enclaves, it was not possible to identify a distinct identity that could be called Turkish Cypriot. what is clear, by dividing us, it only served the leadership and elite, fear being an easy weapon to manipulate, (and escalate), so that they respectively could consolidate their grip on power. Indeed, it is the Constitution which needs reform, and it is the compromise that was made, a BBF, which the Republic has committed itself to demonstrate to the rest of Mankind, for Mankind, not "Turks", or "Greeks" for that matter, but for the betterment of the Universal Principals that we have as Human beings, in a greater Family of Man, as Cypriots. While this government is working very hard toward a solution to the Cyprus Problem, the biggest fear is that they will want to close the deal on the conditions presented to them, as though Bizonal would define what is "Turkish", and what is not "Turkish (read: "Greek"). However, one can also take confidence in the fact that Cyprus is a State which has shown great progress since its foundation in 1960, despite the trauma it has suffered, its People have demonstrated their credibility with their inclusion in the EU, and their capacity with its Leadership. Even the Financial meltdown, demonstrates resilience and the significance of Cyprus as a place for facilitating commerce and exchange.

...take it or leave it, Cyprus exists, and it will remain.

perhaps they were not interested in exchange, only compensation. only the people who are owed the moneycan expalin this situation. i will try to find out somebody from ipc to see if they can explain why.

no rw the tcs were pushed into enclaves to take their land. it was as simple as that. there was no need to enclave them to protect them. if they were not attacked they would be protected just as well.

as to cypriots being mature enough by being able to join the eu, i take up an issue with that. if the greaks did not blackmail the europeans there is no way roc could have joined the eu. certainly not divided.
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Re: bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Postby DrCyprus » Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:07 am

What did Greece blackmail the E.U with?

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Re: bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Postby Lordo » Sat Dec 19, 2015 12:21 pm

DrCyprus wrote:What did Greece blackmail the E.U with?

"If you don't accept Cyprus, we will go bankrupt on your ass!"

lets see if you have the intellect to find out without being told. your first stab at it was atrocious. i am sure you can do better
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Re: bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Postby DrCyprus » Sat Dec 19, 2015 9:03 pm

Lordo wrote:
DrCyprus wrote:What did Greece blackmail the E.U with?

"If you don't accept Cyprus, we will go bankrupt on your ass!"

lets see if you have the intellect to find out without being told. your first stab at it was atrocious. i am sure you can do better


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Re: bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Postby Lordo » Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:46 pm

DrCyprus wrote:
Lordo wrote:
DrCyprus wrote:What did Greece blackmail the E.U with?

"If you don't accept Cyprus, we will go bankrupt on your ass!"

lets see if you have the intellect to find out without being told. your first stab at it was atrocious. i am sure you can do better


Stop blowing your nose over the baklava, it´s disgusting.

have another go. how could greace blackmail the eu. perhaps greacing up the pole may have something to do with it. you know you can do it. go on ave another go.
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Re: bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:30 am

19/02/2016 12:20SHARE:
(Vatican Radio) The Prefect of the Congregation for the Oriental Churches, Cardinal Leonardo Sandri, recently visited the small Maronite Catholic community on the island of Cyprus, the population of which is mostly Greek Orthodox.
During a Mass on the Solemnity of St. Maron on 7 February, he spoke about the desire of the Maronite community “to be recognized as a national, and not only religious, minority” in a possible unitary and federal state entity which might evolve in the future if the island – currently partitioned between the internationally recognized government, and the Turkish-occupied north – achieve unification.
“In order to remain a bridge between peoples, Cyprus cannot allow itself to maintain walls, barriers and divisions,” Cardinal Sandri said. “To live without them, however, it is necessary above all, as Pope Francis often repeats, especially during this Jubilee of Mercy, to disarm one’s heart and dispose oneself to pardon and reconciliation.”
He also spoke about the situation in Lebanon, which has been without a president, who must be a Maronite Christian, since May 2014.
“This is something for which the people have already awaited for too long, something of which they have need, as does the region for purposes of equilibrium,” he said.


...a set of Cypriot Constituencies, is possible; as possible as a Turkish Constituency. There must exist a Cyprus, where these people not as Persons, but as Individuals vote, just the same.
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Re: bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Postby Lordo » Sat Feb 20, 2016 1:20 pm

instead of narrowing the problem you are widening it. if we go by what you posted we can look to another million years of negotiations.
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Re: bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:01 pm

...not at all. If there is one Cyprus, and its Citizens are identified as Cypriots without further distinction or discrimination, then if there were within it a set, one, or two, Cypriot Constituencies, would not matter: this is BBF. This is bizonality. It does not mean tearing the island in two, it means anything but tearing the island in two to be most precise.

Cyprus, with its reformed Constitution, will look quite different, than it does today. Well it should (enough said). What will replace it will reflect the intention of the original draft, and any other that followed, that the Freedom which all Humanity holds in high esteem, will be recognised and respected, for Cyprus, and, Cypriots, as Cypriots, acting as its steward, Sovereign over Cyprus. It's not hard to understand, and yet there has been so much resistance from those who cannot bare to think that their own Humanity is worth more than their "Greekness" (although the overwhelming population is Greek, not necessarily "Greek"), and their "Turkishness", (similarly finding "their" power over Turks and Greeks, by their overwhelming population). But, Cypriots remain, after their exclusion from the debate, for so many, many, years, they still exist.

Obviously, Turkey's Foreign Policy toward Cyprus for over fifty years has failed, witness the Annan Plan. But it does not mean that there will be no solution, new thinking may find its roots to grow between the cracks that are showing, as it becomes clearer to Cypriots that whether they are Greek or Turkish, they need to defend each other as Cypriots, against the fear mongering they have been subjected to by the mythic realities on which this proxy war was commenced with. Indeed, "narrowing the problem", is the Problem. Widening the scope secures its agreement, equality being an essential element to Freedom, and Liberty.
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Re: bizonality still a sticky question in the cyprus talks

Postby Lordo » Sun Feb 21, 2016 12:43 pm

so what happens to the talks so far. do they just continue as they are or are the other community leaders join in. do they continue from where they are or do they go back to the beginning?
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